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Old May 7th, 2014, 12:30 PM   #1
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Old May 7th, 2014, 12:31 PM   #2
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Maybe they shouldn't use wok shaped solar collectors.
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Old May 7th, 2014, 12:34 PM   #3
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For those of us who don't have a subscription to WSJ, cliffs?
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Old May 7th, 2014, 12:35 PM   #4
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Was there more than a couple short paragraphs?
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Old May 7th, 2014, 12:36 PM   #5
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Many people think green energy is for the birds. In the case of the monstrous Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System, it’s not even good for our fine feathered friends. In fact, it’s downright deadly.

K Kaufmann, a reporter for the Desert Sun in Palm Springs, Calif., cited a U.S. Fish &Wild Service report earlier this month that labeled BrightSource Energy’s Ivanpah plant a “mega-trap” for birds and insects. Some birds literally burst into flames and are burned to death while flying through the intense solar radiation reflecting off thousands of mirrors at the plant in San Bernardino County, Calif., about 40 miles southwest of Las Vegas.

The birds are apparently attracted by solar flux, which Ms. Kaufmann described as the intense radiation coming off the mirrors, creating what appear to be small clouds around the boilers at the top of the project’s three 459-foot-tall solar towers. Ivanpah employees and Fish &Wildlife Office of Law Enforcement officials observed the problem for three days last October, and in their report — bureaucratically titled “Avian Mortality at Solar Energy Facilities in Southern California” — stated that “OLE staff observed birds entering the solar flux and igniting, consequently becoming a streamer. OLE staff observed an average of one streamer event every two minutes.”

And it’s not just solar plants — there are three huges ones in Southern California alone — causing these issues. Wind farms are far worse, killing a whopping 573,000 birds in 2012 and annually killing dozens of federally protected eagles, according to a Bloomberg News report.

The irony is that environmentalists, the same people pushing these green-energy projects, are the ones fuming most over all this carnage.

Furthermore, green energy remains extremely expensive, particularly for taxpayers, and delivers a ridiculously small amount of energy for that expense. The Ivanpah plant cost $2.2 billion, propped up by $1.6 billion in federal loan guarantees.

So as it turns out, these projects are neither eco-friendly nor economically friendly. It’s time for government to get out of the business of massively subsidizing green energy, and let the private sector — and private money — lead the way with processes such as fracking that are continually getting safer and absolutely more cost-efficient for consumers. Not to mention better for the birds.
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'Green' energy will happen when it's economically viable is what I got from that. Until then, get used to that taste in your well water.
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Old May 7th, 2014, 12:41 PM   #7
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'Green' energy will happen when it's economically viable is what I got from that. Until then, get used to that taste in your well water.
FYI,. that was an editorial.
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Old May 7th, 2014, 12:41 PM   #8
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FYI,. that was an editorial.
Yes, apparently by someone with a vested interest in fracking.
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Old May 7th, 2014, 01:06 PM   #9
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A blonde and a brunette are walking down a road.
The brunette says "look, a dead bird!"
The blonde looks to the sky and says "where, where?"
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Old May 7th, 2014, 01:35 PM   #10
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another thing about the solar farms...they cast a hell of a shadow on the ground so nothing can grow and thus some of mother nature's food chain goes kaput.
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Realistically, since we do not put anything in the ground to replace what we take out, there's a very good chance that those resources will dry up at some point. When is the big question.

Solar and wind are the current available natural renewable power sources, but are still in their infancy. The learning curve is going to harm something somewhere, just like the learning curve for coal and petroleum produced smog.

Oversimplified, yes. But there's going to be efforts at this, it's going to be costly in terms of economy and nature until it's refined. But if no one works on it, at some point it will have to be done in 'panic mode'.
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Better usage is a solar himney setup. Basically take a large chunk of land in the desert, and put up a large clear tent, sloping upwards to the center. In the center is a huge chimney with a wind turbine generator. The air heats up due to the sun and goes up the chimney.

They are made more effective by darkening the ground underneath it. Could even make it asphalt or something.

They still run at 30-40% efficiency just before dawn, due to stored heat in the ground. Probably a lot less chopped up birds.
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Better usage is a solar himney setup. Basically take a large chunk of land in the desert, and put up a large clear tent, sloping upwards to the center. In the center is a huge chimney with a wind turbine generator. The air heats up due to the sun and goes up the chimney.

They are made more effective by darkening the ground underneath it. Could even make it asphalt or something.

They still run at 30-40% efficiency just before dawn, due to stored heat in the ground. Probably a lot less chopped up birds.
Or just open a Chinese buffet under the wind farms and solar panels.
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Or just open a Chinese buffet under the wind farms and solar panels.
I'll get my spitting bowl ready.
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Old May 7th, 2014, 06:36 PM   #15
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Old May 7th, 2014, 06:51 PM   #16
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