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Old February 12th, 2014, 08:32 PM   #1
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Default So, I was at the gas station today, and this is what I noticed.

The pump offers 87, 89, and 93 octane fuel. However, I think that one is labeled as the other.






So, is paying for 89 octane useless, as the 87 is really 89, or is the 89 really 93?
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Old February 12th, 2014, 08:50 PM   #2
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or maybe 87 and 93 are blended to get 89?????????
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The only difference between 87 and 89 are the additives and costs the same to produce.
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I am pretty sure 87 and 93 are blended to make 89.
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I am pretty sure 87 and 93 are blended to make 89.
^^ When we got our 95 Octane drop at work its 97 and 93 mixed..
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I dont thing 87 and 93 make 89. The gas station by my house always runs out of 87 (poor management) but they still offer 93 and 89. Well it could be blended somewhere else but not at the pump.
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Its blended at the pump. If the 87 tank is empty you are getting 93 for the price of 89.
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Kinda like offroad diesel and on road diesel? I figured it came out of the same tank, but had dye mixed in by the pump....
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That is a gilbarco blender pump.

Sunoco and Mobile stations use blender pumps. They usually have two regular tanks, and one premium. It's cheaper to install and maintain, but the down side is, if one of the big flow pumps in tank fails, it will either knock out reg, and midgrade, or midgrade and premium. When shell, speedway, or marathon stations have a pump failure, it knocks out only one grade of fuel.
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Its blended at the pump. If the 87 tank is empty you are getting 93 for the price of 89.
No. That is not how it works. In michigan, every station is required to have an intrinsically safe tank monitoring unit. Most of them say VEEDER ROOT on the front, and you can see them from the POS. If a tank is below 8%, they will lock out the pump from running. Those underground tanks have a huge amount of garbage and water in the tanks, and the veeder root monitors have three floats. One for sludge, one for water, and one for fuel. (this is why you should NEVER fill up when a tanker is dropping fuel, it mixes all that shit up in the tank) The relay cut off occurs if the water / fuel sensor are within 8%, or if the tank is freshly flushed, and there is no water, the cut off appears at 8% between fuel level and the tank being empty.

Those big flow pumps are around 20k, and roughly 40 man hours to swap out. They do not let those pumps run dry.

Also, gilbarco blenders have pressure switches. If one of the two feeds is not proper, the pump will stop dispensing. The pumps also have the ability to blend a 30% pressure difference, so if a premium pump is putting out 55psi, and 7 people are pumping premium, the line pressure might be 40psi, the pump can still do a perfect blend between the 40psi premium and the 55psi regular to make the proper 89 blend.

All pumps must also be flow tested and octane tested once a year, you can see the seals on the pumps. The state also does random octane testing.

Anyway, that is how blender pumps work.


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No. That is not how it works. In michigan, every station is required to have an intrinsically safe tank monitoring unit. Most of them say VEEDER ROOT on the front, and you can see them from the POS. If a tank is below 8%, they will lock out the pump from running. Those underground tanks have a huge amount of garbage and water in the tanks, and the veeder root monitors have three floats. One for sludge, one for water, and one for fuel. (this is why you should NEVER fill up when a tanker is dropping fuel, it mixes all that shit up in the tank) The relay cut off occurs if the water / fuel sensor are within 8%, or if the tank is freshly flushed, and there is no water, the cut off appears at 8% between fuel level and the tank being empty.

Those big flow pumps are around 20k, and roughly 40 man hours to swap out. They do not let those pumps run dry.

Also, gilbarco blenders have pressure switches. If one of the two feeds is not proper, the pump will stop dispensing. The pumps also have the ability to blend a 30% pressure difference, so if a premium pump is putting out 55psi, and 7 people are pumping premium, the pressure might be 40psi, the pump can still do a perfect blend between the 40psi premium and the 55psi regular to make the proper 89 blend.

All pumps must also be flow tested and octane tested once a year, you can see the seals on the pumps. The state also does random octane testing.

Anyway, that is how blender pumps work.


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No. That is not how it works. In michigan, every station is required to have an intrinsically safe tank monitoring unit. Most of them say VEEDER ROOT on the front, and you can see them from the POS. If a tank is below 8%, they will lock out the pump from running. Those underground tanks have a huge amount of garbage and water in the tanks, and the veeder root monitors have three floats. One for sludge, one for water, and one for fuel. (this is why you should NEVER fill up when a tanker is dropping fuel, it mixes all that shit up in the tank) The relay cut off occurs if the water / fuel sensor are within 8%, or if the tank is freshly flushed, and there is no water, the cut off appears at 8% between fuel level and the tank being empty.

Those big flow pumps are around 20k, and roughly 40 man hours to swap out. They do not let those pumps run dry.

Also, gilbarco blenders have pressure switches. If one of the two feeds is not proper, the pump will stop dispensing. The pumps also have the ability to blend a 30% pressure difference, so if a premium pump is putting out 55psi, and 7 people are pumping premium, the line pressure might be 40psi, the pump can still do a perfect blend between the 40psi premium and the 55psi regular to make the proper 89 blend.

All pumps must also be flow tested and octane tested once a year, you can see the seals on the pumps. The state also does random octane testing.

Anyway, that is how blender pumps work.


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No. That is not how it works. In michigan, every station is required to have an intrinsically safe tank monitoring unit. Most of them say VEEDER ROOT on the front, and you can see them from the POS. If a tank is below 8%, they will lock out the pump from running. Those underground tanks have a huge amount of garbage and water in the tanks, and the veeder root monitors have three floats. One for sludge, one for water, and one for fuel. (this is why you should NEVER fill up when a tanker is dropping fuel, it mixes all that shit up in the tank) The relay cut off occurs if the water / fuel sensor are within 8%, or if the tank is freshly flushed, and there is no water, the cut off appears at 8% between fuel level and the tank being empty.

Those big flow pumps are around 20k, and roughly 40 man hours to swap out. They do not let those pumps run dry.

Also, gilbarco blenders have pressure switches. If one of the two feeds is not proper, the pump will stop dispensing. The pumps also have the ability to blend a 30% pressure difference, so if a premium pump is putting out 55psi, and 7 people are pumping premium, the line pressure might be 40psi, the pump can still do a perfect blend between the 40psi premium and the 55psi regular to make the proper 89 blend.

All pumps must also be flow tested and octane tested once a year, you can see the seals on the pumps. The state also does random octane testing.

Anyway, that is how blender pumps work.


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I changed a VEEDER ROOT guage today. the operator couldn't figure out why I was laughing. And without your fancy certification. put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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