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Old March 26th, 2014, 11:12 AM   #21
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I can't say a whole lot, but my step dad bought a '14 Ram 1500, and I was not at all impressed with it. Not a lot of leg room/room in general.

The one positive though, it had the 6 cylinder, and it had a lot of get-up and go to it
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I had a single cab ram and it had a ton of room behind the seats where I could stick my gear back, boots, tool box, tent, ect. It was the previous body style but I am pretty sure it is the same. I have not seen a new chevy single cab but I don't remember them having any room on previous models. I think adding the ram box would be a nice addition to a single cab if he ends up going that route.
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Appreciate all of the feedback so far.

As for cab room, he's not a terribly tall guy so legroom isn't an issue. He has a '99 Ram RCSB right now that he has had since 2001. The new Rams have at least as much cab room as the '99 does, and the '99 has always been enough for him. The Chevy did have noticeably less space behind the seats. He has had an '04 Ram Quad Cab with a hemi and always liked it. He hasn't owned a Chevy since early 90's.
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Both are great trucks. Ram has a suspension advantage with the coil springs in the rear. My dealership usually has a couple reg cab short beds. At one point we did have a big horn short bed 4x4. Also, chevys prices are a bit higher and the ram has the new 8 speed transmission. The 8 speeds trans and the 3.6L motors in a short bed 4x4 should pull 26-27 mpg highway all day and still tow over 8k pounds. They honestly are both great trucks. I would probably buy the chevy because I have always been a chevy guy. But if I were to lease a truck I would most likely go for the ram. I just checked with the manager and he said we have a couple short bed regular cab rams on order.
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I can't say a whole lot, but my step dad bought a '14 Ram 1500, and I was not at all impressed with it. Not a lot of leg room/room in general.

The one positive though, it had the 6 cylinder, and it had a lot of get-up and go to it
Did he buy a quad cab? yeah the 6 cylinder is very impressive.
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Given dodges history with transmissions I would be very hesitant to get the new 8 speed. The chevy 5.3 and 6l80e is a proven combo imo.
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I've heard a lot of people were extremely impressed with the new 3.6L. My dad though will opt for the Hemi if he goes with Ram. AJ, tell your manager if he did order a few RCSB's to make sure they are not ALL black! Hell, out of the few I've found so far, 95% of them are black. He's shooting for the charcoal grey color. I forget the name of it now.
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Given dodges history with transmissions I would be very hesitant to get the new 8 speed. The chevy 5.3 and 6l80e is a proven combo imo.
The new 8-speed is manufactured by ZF. Can't really compare it to the issues of the A518, etc.
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The new 8-speed is manufactured by ZF. Can't really compare it to the issues of the A518, etc.
False, ZF designed and built the first year or 2 of the transmissions. Chrysler bought the rights to build them and currently build them on their own.
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False, ZF designed and built the first year or 2 of the transmissions. Chrysler bought the rights to build them and currently build them on their own.
Its still built off of the ZF design and so not really comparable to the issues that forever plagued the older units. To me that's like saying that the GMC Sierra is a total POS, but the Silverado is truck of the year. Its just a rebadge. Not that I'm arguing they are going to prove to be super reliable - but i just cant see comparing it.
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Its still built off of the ZF design and so not really comparable to the issues that forever plagued the older units. To me that's like saying that the GMC Sierra is a total POS, but the Silverado is truck of the year. Its just a rebadge. Not that I'm arguing they are going to prove to be super reliable - but i just cant see comparing it.
Not that I have all the design specifications sitting on my desk. But a part can be built to the same specs/design and perform completely different than another. Don't be so confident that just because ZF designed it and built hte first one that Chrysler is able to build it to the same quality/robustness/durability and vice versa.
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Did he buy a quad cab? yeah the 6 cylinder is very impressive.
Yes it is a 4 door
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Also, Chrysler is in charge of creating all the controls (shift points, clutch pressures, etc..) for it which can affect the longevity and reliability of a transmission. I am not saying that this is a bad transmission. I just don't want to have you get the wrong idea thinking that it will be a great trans because you thought Chrysler didn't make it.
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The chevys are lower than most cars now it seems
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Really? You turned this into another Dodge transmission gripe? Comparing it to transmissions from 15-20 years ago that share nothing but a name is completely pointless. What about the countless 4L60Es that crapped out in GM vehicles? People really need to give up on using that as a bargaining chip on new vehicles....especially since both have kickass warranties.

You can't really go wrong with any of the new 1/2 tons from the big 3. Have him pick his favorite and head on down the road. Pretty sure there was recently an identical discussion on here about them.

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Yes. My stock Impreza has more bumper clearance than the K2XX trucks. Still a damn good truck though.
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I agree with the low front ends.. Although they help with mpgs. My friend took the plastic valance that hangs off the front bumper on his 08 or 09 and he consistently lost around 2 mpg highway
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I agree with the low front ends.. Although they help with mpgs. My friend took the plastic valance that hangs off the front bumper on his 08 or 09 and he consistently lost around 2 mpg highway
I think comparing them to an imprezza might be a slight exageration....but they're plenty high for anything 99% of all truck owners will encounter.

I ripped my plastic air damn off in the snowmageddon omg we are all gonna die and I will confirm I lost about 1-2 mpg, combine that with my 2" lift up front and slightly larger than stock tires and I lost a total of 2-4 mpg over stock.
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Also, Chrysler is in charge of creating all the controls (shift points, clutch pressures, etc..) for it which can affect the longevity and reliability of a transmission. I am not saying that this is a bad transmission. I just don't want to have you get the wrong idea thinking that it will be a great trans because you thought Chrysler didn't make it.
Yeah I get what you both were saying, now when you put it like that I can see where you are coming from. I don't know that there are enough of them with high enough miles / age to yet evaluate their durability, but I suppose the same applies for any new technology we see roll out on the market every year. I guess that's the dice you roll, but at least the warranties are good on both - I guess all I meant was I won't consider Chrysler's history with transmissions too much to factor into my Dad's decision. (His '99 Ram started giving trans. issues at 116k miles. My '97 Ram has 207k on what I believe is the original trans. and it shifts like new, but certainly that is the exception rather than the majority.)


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That's the hard part. They are both so damn nice.


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I ripped my plastic air damn off in the snowmageddon omg we are all gonna die and I will confirm I lost about 1-2 mpg, combine that with my 2" lift up front and slightly larger than stock tires and I lost a total of 2-4 mpg over stock.
Wow. I would not have guessed it would make that big of an impact. They've worked extremely hard at improving MPG's in 1/2 tons - I suppose aerodynamics would play a big roll in that, but damn.. I wouldn't have thought raking the front that much would be such a gain. The fully loaded Laramie's with air suspension actually drop .6" at highway speeds to gain extra MPG as well. (so I've read)
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Of course the rake helps, they're always running downhill!!
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Wow. I would not have guessed it would make that big of an impact. They've worked extremely hard at improving MPG's in 1/2 tons - I suppose aerodynamics would play a big roll in that, but damn.. I wouldn't have thought raking the front that much would be such a gain. The fully loaded Laramie's with air suspension actually drop .6" at highway speeds to gain extra MPG as well. (so I've read)
Aerodynamic drag is not constant. It increases with each mph exponentially (engineers jump in here for proper lingo).

the air dam helps direct air around the truck to decrease drag, the slight rake (which I leveled out of my truck) being taken away decrease the aerodynamics of the truck, even swapping wheels that do not flow through the air as smoothly could theoretically make a difference.

I once saw a geo metro outfitted with some bondo/cardboard/fibreglass air deflecters in a few places on the car, as well as full moon hubcaps, Not sure on the level of testing involved, but I bet with that little motor he gained some significant aerodynamic advantage at highway speed.
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