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Old March 25th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #41
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Theres a shit ton of things we dont know yet you all who claim to be conservatives are crying police foul with only a few short minutes of video. Awfully quick to point fingers...


the article did mention a 3 hour standoff. That doesnt happen for illegal camping. There is more to the story. Also, when the man was down and the officers approached him, he did have knives in his hand.

Crazy / aggressive / dumb or whatever doesnt allow someone to openly handle weapons when the police are dealing with them. They are a threat otherwise. In the video he turnes as he got shot after putting down his bags. Was he reaching into the bag to get something worse? Were things said that werent heard on the video that could lead a reasonable person to believe something much worse was in the bag?
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Old March 25th, 2014, 05:46 PM   #42
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Did you guys see where the police knew this guy to be most likely mentally challenged?
Years ago guys like this would be institutionalized if they couldn't get right. Now they are free to do stupid shit like this.

There has to be a better solution than to have mentally unstable people roaming around our streets and or hills of albuquerque.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 06:04 PM   #43
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"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on

criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a

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I agree and disagree with a lot said so far, the cops do need to protect themselves, but saying booya for shooting a guy is uncalled for, to me that shows they take it as fun to kill, is the guy stupid for not dropping the knives.. yes, was he dropping his bag? Reaching for a gun ? Or was it a bomb? The cops didn't know what was in there, he did say don't harm me and I won't harm you, so that implied is a threat, but still I don't see the need to fill him with lead when bean bags and rubber bullets would drop him
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I agree and disagree with a lot said so far, the cops do need to protect themselves, but saying booya for shooting a guy is uncalled for, to me that shows they take it as fun to kill, is the guy stupid for not dropping the knives.. yes, was he dropping his bag? Reaching for a gun ? Or was it a bomb? The cops didn't know what was in there, he did say don't harm me and I won't harm you, so that implied is a threat, but still I don't see the need to fill him with lead when bean bags and rubber bullets would drop him
It's tough to know who wa right or wrong without being there.

I will say the "booyah" comment seems to get a lot of attention. IMO it could easily have been an over stressed, scared, adrenalin pumped cop just saying a catch phrase word in a relief type manor. It could also be a blood thristy murderer enjoying his kill. It really has no bearing on the facts or who wa right or wrong. People are just twisting it to make the cops look bad.
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Killing a person shouldn't make you happy, booya is a happy expression..bragging more less, not from adrenaline, just cockyness, in my opinion this cop is guilty of murder
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Killing a person shouldn't make you happy, booya is a happy expression..bragging more less, not from adrenaline, just cockyness, in my opinion this cop is guilty of murder
I have no clue if the cop is guilty of murder I wasn't there. I will say it seems like excessive force but its kinda hard to tell from that video being there was a 3 hours stand off and I haven't nor would I watch 3 hours of that shit.

Yelling after a stressful encounter in normal and for all you know that guy says booyah all the time. What I'm getting at is don't hang someone based on bullshit Internet "news" articles and videos. I myself have to fight the urge.

I think police are becoming more and more aggressive, mix this with a population of citizens who are becoming more and more agitated with government and police. I hope I'm wrong but I think we will see more and more of this type of thing happening.

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I have no clue if the cop is guilty of murder I wasn't there. I will say it seems like excessive force but its kids hard to tell from that video being there was a 3 hours stand off and I haven't not would I watch 3 hours of that shit.

Yelling after a stressful encounter in normal and for all you know that guy says booyah all the time. What I'm getting at is don't hang someone based on bullshit Internet "news" articles and videos. I myself have to fight the urge.

I think police are becoming more and more aggressive, mix this with a population of citizens who are becoming more and more agitated with government and police. I hope I'm wrong but I think we will see more and more of this type of thing happening.

Yeah i see what your saying, and agree 3 hours is a long time to deal with the same idiot, I don't believe all the internet bs either,
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There are several demonstrations online that show how in close quarters, (within 20 feet), a person with a knife drawn has an advantage over someone with a gun.

My feeling is that this sort of thing is just a symptom of an overall breakdown of society, where an 'every man for himself' attitude is prevalent.
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There are several demonstrations online that show how in close quarters, (within 20 feet), a person with a knife drawn has an advantage over someone with a gun.

My feeling is that this sort of thing is just a symptom of an overall breakdown of society, where an 'every man for himself' attitude is prevalent.
The average person can cover 20 feet in 2 seconds wielding a knife. In advanced pistol training we worked on drawing from concealed and landing 2 shots center of mass in 2 seconds. Usually the guy with the knife will get you unless you're walking backwards while drawing.
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The average person can cover 20 feet in 2 seconds wielding a knife. In advanced pistol training we worked on drawing from concealed and landing 2 shots center of mass in 2 seconds. Usually the guy with the knife will get you unless you're walking backwards while drawing.
what if your weapon is a rifle and it's already pointed at the person?
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what if your weapon is a rifle and it's already pointed at the person?
depends, outside of the movies it seems like people have a real hard time hitting a moving target. Hell, how many deer hunters can't hit a deer that is standing still....
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what if your weapon is a rifle and it's already pointed at the person?
Here's the problem, as soon as the bad guy closes close to one of the officers, none of the other officers can shoot. So, he only needs to take advantage of one of them and he has done damage.
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depends, outside of the movies it seems like people have a real hard time hitting a moving target. Hell, how many deer hunters can't hit a deer that is standing still....
I was only posting that to the point of it taking 2 seconds for an average guy to pull a concealed weapon and hit the target, This isn't the same situation.

I will concede on this particular video, only because we don't' know all the facts. I still say that it seamed excessive and the use of tasers/bean bags would have knocked the guy down without the need for lead, but again, no, I don't know all the facts in this case. None of us do.

My very first thought, after seeing just the video, was the same as yours and WR. Reading the couple articles flipped me 180, but we all know how the media reports often wrong or at least misleading info. So this has me stepping back, saying without all facts I should not judge either way. Besides, it's not my job to judge it anyways. lol
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Messed up, seems like they went over broad on this. Should have just left him alone in Vast open place he was in.

Here is police media briefing of the incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY-f9KDlEWo#t=805
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I did find out some more info on this guy.

He had a long history of violence, including cutting multiple people, two of whom were police officers. He said that what he was doing was because Gerald R Ford told him to. It wasn't stated what exactly his mental illness was, but judging from how he acted and saying that Ford told him what to do; he was probably schizophrenic.

I believe the officers could have handled the situation better, their tactics were not the greatest, but they could have treated him like a mental patient instead of a normal person
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And how the hell does one treat a mental patient with a knife differently than a normal person with a knife? Does the mental person not have the same ability to cut you?



No matter a persons mental state, the officers and everyone elses safety is of more concern until the person is fully detained ans considered safe. Until that happens everyone is treated the same. If you have knives and have shown the mindset and ability to use them and wont follow simple reasonable instruction to put them down then you get shot.

Lets not forget that the officers arent the ones who have closed the mental homes and eliminated that avenue for mentally impaired. They have only been tasked with the challenge of dealing with them because nobody else will. Fact is, a dangerous person is dangerous regardless of mental state and police respond accordingly.
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