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I find society pretty funny....on one hand we tell society about all the health risks of being fat, and we market to it, health clubs, health foods, reduced fat foods, etc. The president and his wife get on board with healthier school lunches and what not. But then we tell people it is ok to be fat and to be comfortable with who you are....health risks aside. (just using this as an example, not as an argument for anything specific)

The old folks tell us we need to go to college and have a strong work ethic and work hard etc. Then they bitch about being with the same employer for 30 years who cut their pension and how they never took enough time to be with their families and pto and blah lbah.

So kids enter the workforce thinking I want a flexible schedule so I can see my kids grow up, I want to work for the companies that will pay me the most and offer the best opportunity for me and my family, and now we're told we don't work hard enough, we take too much time off (or demand too much time off), we don't stay with companies long enough to climb the ladder (instead we jump ship for a raise or more responsibility and a raise)......

Look at IT Professionals, if they don't jump ship to companies using the newest technology every year they get left in the dust with obsolete skills...management won't spend the money to upgrade to the newest versions, so employees must leave and go and learn the new version so that if the company goes belly up they can find another job. I'm sure much of the same goes for Medical, Engineering, Design, and other technologies....but thats no work ethic right bloomule?

Make up your fucking mind. Everyone wants to look down on the younger generation and tell us we can't have it the way they had it, or the way we want it, so what the fukc do you expect us to do?

I've been in the workforce for over 10 years now, still consider myself pretty green, pretty young, etc. Do I demand extra PTO? yes, my elders told me to negotiate for it. Have I jumped ship for more money because I could give myself a bigger raise than my company was offering in our yearly reviews? yes, do I have work ethic? I sure hope so, I've never ranked outside the top 5 in my region/division/group at any organization I have ever worked at. If I am a top performer in my organization why should I wait my turn for a promotion when another company is offering one up to me? You wouldn't hesitate to hire someone else who you feel can outperform me, why shouldn't I hire another company who can out perform you?

millenial shit my ass, if companies would deliver on all of the "promises" they offer new hires we might stick around longer than 6 months (I haven't moved that often but understand why some might).
A fucking men dude. I'll tell you what I'm sick of... A company acting like they're doing me a favor by employing me.... Last I checked the only reason your product is worth a shit is because the employees come together to make it happen.
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I'm all for jumping ship. I did it a lot and it paid off. I believe that a company will pay more to replace you than keep you. So you want to be the replacer. I have no beef with a young person being aggressive and wanting to move up. Where I do have a problem with a young person is when they don't have respect for someone who has paid their dues and they expect more than what is realistic. There is a balance of being confident & good and being arrogant & so-so.
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I'm all for jumping ship. I did it a lot and it paid off. I believe that a company will pay more to replace you than keep you. So you want to be the replacer. I have no beef with a young person being aggressive and wanting to move up. Where I do have a problem with a young person is when they don't have respect for someone who has paid their dues and they expect more than what is realistic. There is a balance of being confident & good and being arrogant & so-so.
I agree, but on the other hand respect is earned, just because you're 10 years experienced doesn't mean jack to me. Show me why you're worthwhile before you play that "I'm XX years experienced" bullshit
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I'm all for jumping ship. I did it a lot and it paid off. I believe that a company will pay more to replace you than keep you. So you want to be the replacer. I have no beef with a young person being aggressive and wanting to move up. Where I do have a problem with a young person is when they don't have respect for someone who has paid their dues and they expect more than what is realistic. There is a balance of being confident & good and being arrogant & so-so.
A manager once asked me why i had moved around so often in my career.....

I said, you called me to come interview for you because you heard I was good at my job right?

He said yeah?

I said, so did those other guys, they offered me more money than I was making too....wouldn't you move?

He replied with "well how do I know you won't just leave here like you did xyz"

to which i said "If you pay me like you're promising to do, I won't have to move along"

He seemed to think I was being cocky/arrogant, 1. he didn't know me... 2. I didn't need to work for him, I had a good job.

It's a 2 way street, companies dump people all the time.

I agree to the respect thing, but I've also worked with some out of date old fogies who needed to understand todays market and quit talking about yesterdays market.....

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I agree, but on the other hand respect is earned, just because you're 10 years experienced doesn't mean jack to me. Show me why you're worthwhile before you play that "I'm XX years experienced" bullshit

True that we have/ had a lot of guys where I work like that and most have moved on in the last few years since I started there. ........... They don't like a young punk like me being there boss haha


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I'm all for jumping ship. I did it a lot and it paid off. I believe that a company will pay more to replace you than keep you. So you want to be the replacer. I have no beef with a young person being aggressive and wanting to move up. Where I do have a problem with a young person is when they don't have respect for someone who has paid their dues and they expect more than what is realistic. There is a balance of being confident & good and being arrogant & so-so.
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A manager once asked me why i had moved around so often in my career.....

I said, you called me to come interview for you because you heard I was good at my job right?

He said yeah?

I said, so did those other guys, they offered me more money than I was making too....wouldn't you move?

He replied with "well how do I know you won't just leave here like you did xyz"

to which i said "If you pay me like you're promising to do, I won't have to move along"

He seemed to think I was being cocky/arrogant, 1. he didn't know me... 2. I didn't need to work for him, I had a good job.

It's a 2 way street, companies dump people all the time.

I agree to the respect thing, but I've also worked with some out of date old fogies who needed to understand todays market and quit talking about yesterdays market.....

It goes both ways.
Interesting. In my line of work, this wouldn't get you very far though. Moving from Camp to camp is usually an indicator that you don't play well with others. Which, in a Camp environment, can be toxic to the whole staff. Not to mention the motivation to work in the Christian Camping side has nothing to do with money but how well you, and the skills you've acquired, can be used to glorify God.

In my case, Showing responsibility for my actions and, for 9 months or so, paying off those consequences of those actions actually landed me the job I'm in today. I screwed up majorly (Golf Cart + Barge - Plug = $$$) and God used the situation to show my current employer that I'm a hard worker and that I really do want to pursue the field I'm in.
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Interesting. In my line of work, this wouldn't get you very far though. Moving from Camp to camp is usually an indicator that you don't play well with others. Which, in a Camp environment, can be toxic to the whole staff. Not to mention the motivation to work in the Christian Camping side has nothing to do with money but how well you, and the skills you've acquired, can be used to glorify God.

In my case, Showing responsibility for my actions and, for 9 months or so, paying off those consequences of those actions actually landed me the job I'm in today. I screwed up majorly (Golf Cart + Barge - Plug = $$$) and God used the situation to show my current employer that I'm a hard worker and that I really do want to pursue the field I'm in.
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have NOT read all the replys BUT, has anyone thought that by giving out your zip code and annual income at that site, someone may be gathering data on you that you do not want utilized???
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Did you ever consider that any site that uses cookies gathers information about you that you might not want utilized?
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Interesting. In my line of work, this wouldn't get you very far though. Moving from Camp to camp is usually an indicator that you don't play well with others. Which, in a Camp environment, can be toxic to the whole staff. Not to mention the motivation to work in the Christian Camping side has nothing to do with money but how well you, and the skills you've acquired, can be used to glorify God.

In my case, Showing responsibility for my actions and, for 9 months or so, paying off those consequences of those actions actually landed me the job I'm in today. I screwed up majorly (Golf Cart + Barge - Plug = $$$) and God used the situation to show my current employer that I'm a hard worker and that I really do want to pursue the field I'm in.
1. You're (admittedly) comparing to wildly different career paths. I don't belive in god, and I don't really care much what anyone thinks of me (within reason of course), in the end I am working to make as much money as I possibly can during my time so I can provide for my family the best that I can during that time so I can retire to sitting around on my ass doing what I want when I want as soon as I can. I have not dedicated my life to a mythical man in the sky.

2. Please, do provide more details on this story. Pictures, results, etc. One would think that working at a Christian Camp one would have been "forgiven" No?
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No. And if they are I screwed up their data by putting in a bunch of different numbers to see the results.
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I find society pretty funny....on one hand we tell society about all the health risks of being fat, and we market to it, health clubs, health foods, reduced fat foods, etc. The president and his wife get on board with healthier school lunches and what not. But then we tell people it is ok to be fat and to be comfortable with who you are....health risks aside. (just using this as an example, not as an argument for anything specific)

The old folks tell us we need to go to college and have a strong work ethic and work hard etc. Then they bitch about being with the same employer for 30 years who cut their pension and how they never took enough time to be with their families and pto and blah lbah.

So kids enter the workforce thinking I want a flexible schedule so I can see my kids grow up, I want to work for the companies that will pay me the most and offer the best opportunity for me and my family, and now we're told we don't work hard enough, we take too much time off (or demand too much time off), we don't stay with companies long enough to climb the ladder (instead we jump ship for a raise or more responsibility and a raise)......

Look at IT Professionals, if they don't jump ship to companies using the newest technology every year they get left in the dust with obsolete skills...management won't spend the money to upgrade to the newest versions, so employees must leave and go and learn the new version so that if the company goes belly up they can find another job. I'm sure much of the same goes for Medical, Engineering, Design, and other technologies....but thats no work ethic right bloomule?

Make up your fucking mind. Everyone wants to look down on the younger generation and tell us we can't have it the way they had it, or the way we want it, so what the fukc do you expect us to do?

I've been in the workforce for over 10 years now, still consider myself pretty green, pretty young, etc. Do I demand extra PTO? yes, my elders told me to negotiate for it. Have I jumped ship for more money because I could give myself a bigger raise than my company was offering in our yearly reviews? yes, do I have work ethic? I sure hope so, I've never ranked outside the top 5 in my region/division/group at any organization I have ever worked at. If I am a top performer in my organization why should I wait my turn for a promotion when another company is offering one up to me? You wouldn't hesitate to hire someone else who you feel can outperform me, why shouldn't I hire another company who can out perform you?

millenial shit my ass, if companies would deliver on all of the "promises" they offer new hires we might stick around longer than 6 months (I haven't moved that often but understand why some might).
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1. You're (admittedly) comparing to wildly different career paths. I don't belive in god, and I don't really care much what anyone thinks of me (within reason of course), in the end I am working to make as much money as I possibly can during my time so I can provide for my family the best that I can during that time so I can retire to sitting around on my ass doing what I want when I want as soon as I can. I have not dedicated my life to a mythical man in the sky.

2. Please, do provide more details on this story. Pictures, results, etc. One would think that working at a Christian Camp one would have been "forgiven" No?
1. That's your choice!

2. I'll keep it short. Or try to at least. ( edit: I didn't)

I was a video/media/bus driver one summer at camp. Our program director, who I was not all the fond of, decided to brag about all the pranks he pulled in college. He ended his bragging by stating "So that's why you shouldn't prank me". Which, of course, is asking to be pranked.

It started as a simple "Let's wrap his golf cart and fill it with packaging peanuts" prank to "Let's put it on the barge (a boat with a plywood platform we use for fireworks) and put it int he middle of the lake" Prank.

I asked the Directer of the the camp, he said yes; passed the idea by the head of maintenance, he said "should work and go ahead; and, most importantly asked the program director's wife, she said "Yes, but if you sink it, you'll pay for it". Which I said, absolutely to.

The night of the prank arrives. It's a Friday. Because I was doing video that summer I hadn't slept a wink Thursday night finishing the DVD for the parents to pick up. I was tired. Out of the 8 or 9 guys that said they would be there, 1 showed up. It took us 2 hours to get that stupid Golf cart on the barge, it was a ghetto fabulous rig to get that thing on the boat. I strapped down the cart on all four corners (for safety Duh ) and we proceeded to the launch. Launched the boat, rowed the canoe back to the opposite side of the lake. Walked around that lake, picked up the truck, dropped the 1 other guy off, went home, took a shower (it was about 5:45 by this time I took a long shower) and.......


I went to see the sunlight hitting the golf cart in the middle of the lake. Half way to the lake "other guy" is running towards me with the biggest panicked face I've ever seen. "It's gone". We head to the boat docks to investigate.

Half way to the prior location of the boat I notice what looks like the bottom of a boat. And it was. The barge had Flipped. My arms turned to spegetti, my heart sunk deep in my chest, I was screwed.

We go to tell someone what happens, the director has to be woken up by his wife. He laughs the whole entire time we tell him the story. We go to the program director's house (oddly enough, where I live now) and he comes out talking on the phone. We can hear the Director saying "Who would have let them use the barge, I think their messing with us". We proceed to go on a tour looking for his golf cart for an hour. We don't find it.

Later that we go to retrieve the boat, and somehow dive down to the golf cart. We take our first dive and the other guy says the cart is defiantly gone. I dive down and almost face plant on a golf caret tire. That's right folks, it's suspended by ratchet straps to the 'bottom' of the boat. About this time we hear a very loud, and some what angry, yell from shore. It's the CEO of the camp. This whole debacle has happened dead center of his picture window. He's freaking out, calling the Sherif dive team, recovery places, looking back, he was more worried them we were.

We eventually get the barge to about 15 -20 ft of water and we cut the cart loose in a way that it flips on it's wheels and lands wheel side down on the bottom of the lake. I tie a float to it and head home. I cry a bit. I sleep.

I eventually get up (17 hours later). The cart was pulled out during my mini hibernation. It's time to start another week. During lunch the big Three (CEO, Director, and Director of maintenance) come up to me and say "we need to talk"). They proceed to tell me how much they value my work ethic and what I've brought to the ministry and allow me the opportunity to work off the debt I owed to the camp (they footed the bill to repair the cart). So, for 9 or so months, I came every weekend I could, and worked for maintenance doing anything the asked me too.

At some point during After the accident One of the older guys came up to me and said "I know what you did wrong". And I said 'OH yeah?", "Yeah, You forgot to put the plug in the boat. Which, BTW, I found during my first couple weekends working.

I honestly know that God used those weekends, and my show of responsibility, to show my, now, employers my character and integrity. And that is why they pursued me intill the time was right for me to work here again.

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