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Old March 7th, 2014, 06:53 AM   #41
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For Full size users (including side by sides) the following applies:
#1 - A vehicle with a SOS license plate, driving on ORV ROUTE exclusively does not need and ORV License or an ORV Trail permit. The one exception to that is Drummond Island, where some of the routes require 4x4 and thus do require the ORV License and Trail Permit.
#2 Vehicles with a SOS license plate driving on ORV TRAIL or in any of the scramble areas (including Silver Lake Sand Dunes) requires both the ORV License and Trail Permit.
#3 both the ORV License and Trail Permit need to be displayed on the rear of the vehicle just like the old ORV stickers.

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Whoa...wait. So a SOS vehicle can go on a ORV Trail now?
If it has both ORV and Trail permits, and meets the requirements of the trail, yes.
I believe that would pretty much mean it would have to be a dual sport motorcycle to meet the "ORV Trail" requirements, and also have a standard SOS road license plate. That has not changed.

If you are mixing up Trail with Route, that too is unchanged and Routes have always been open to vehicles with SOS license plates (with the exception noted above).
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Old March 7th, 2014, 07:00 AM   #42
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I don't understand the ORV License AND Trail Permit thing.

Is there any time you would only need one of them?
if you wanted to drive your ORV on the shoulder of the road without a SOS license, but not actually go on any routes or trails, I guess the ORV permit would allow this, but my understanding is any route, trail or scramble area woudl require the Trail permit, and they don't allow the purchase of ONLY the trail permit.

Oh I think I read that the Trail permit was not required for use in the UP, so if you only wheel in the UP maybe you only need the ORV permit, but I'm not sure.
Maybe that is why they did they 2 teared system, to allow the UP a cheaper sticker price?

EDIT: based on other posted info, I think I'm wrong about the UP, it says Forest Roads in UP don't need Trail permit,
does that mean Forest roads in the lower do?

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Old March 7th, 2014, 07:03 AM   #43
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If you are mixing up Trail with Route, that too is unchanged and Routes have always been open to vehicles with SOS license plates (with the exception noted above).
I wasn't mixing up route and trail but I didn't think about dual sport motorcycle. That would be the only SOS plated vehicle that can go on a trail except for the few legal RZR's.
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Old March 7th, 2014, 10:08 AM   #44
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Made a investment in our trails today.

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Old March 7th, 2014, 11:39 AM   #45
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Its working http://content.govdelivery.com/accou...lletins/a98eb1

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Old March 7th, 2014, 11:48 AM   #46
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Easy kids... I was just being informative. I didnt want you all to get bent out of shape. I'm for the price increase. I ordered everything yesterday from the DNR and just wanted to get the word out.

The DNR FAQ page was a little confusing, so I called them. Previous posters are correct, Silver Lake, Drummond, and the Mounds will require the license, trail permit, and req passport.
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Old March 7th, 2014, 12:05 PM   #47
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am I the only one confused on this? Why the separate stickers? Whats the difference between a ORV route and trail?


edit: found my answer


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When is an ORV license required?
An ORV license ($26.25) is required on eligible county roads, state forest roads in the Upper Peninsula and eligible national forest roads as well as on the frozen surface of public waters. This license is required to operate anywhere off of private lands.

When is an ORV trail permit required?
In addition to the ORV license, an ORV trail permit (an additional $10 for a total of $36.25) is required when operating on designated and signed ORV trails, routes and scramble areas. Visit ORV/ATV Trail Maps for a listing of trails and maps.

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Old March 7th, 2014, 08:13 PM   #48
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Remember what you're funding here with this price increase:



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Old March 7th, 2014, 08:36 PM   #49
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So the one is to drive on roads, and the other is to drive on trails. But if you aren't going to be driving on the roads and only want to drive on trails you still need to buy both. Got it.

Did the guy who wrote this up also help author the Obamacare law too?
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Old March 7th, 2014, 10:14 PM   #50
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I wouldn't mind the extra cost if it opened up more trails. But in my area I see the dnr cutting down more tree's across the trails every year.
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Old March 7th, 2014, 11:51 PM   #51
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If I have the state park pass on my plate, and the ORV and trail permit on my truck, can I wheel on Belle Isle?
Yes of course!
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Old March 8th, 2014, 06:25 AM   #53
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I wouldn't mind the extra cost if it opened up more trails. But in my area I see the dnr cutting down more tree's across the trails every year.
In general the DNR is not going to randomly open trails. If there are trails, forest roads etc in your area that would be good to add to the system, best bet is to put together maps or GPS coordinates and submit it to the DNR. I can help put a package together, GLFWDA has worked with the DNR on projects like this in the past.

Of course the last proposal we submitted is still kicking around various DNR offices after 4 years, so don't expect it to happen overnight.

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Old March 8th, 2014, 10:15 AM   #54
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The brass at the DNR can suck it, the price hike can suck it
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Old March 8th, 2014, 12:38 PM   #55
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Remember what you're funding here with this price increase:



Yes, I totally agree that this is bullshit and it pisses me off. It makes me think of a nice challenging log crawl.
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Old March 8th, 2014, 01:26 PM   #56
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Yes, I totally agree that this is bullshit and it pisses me off. It makes me think of a nice challenging log crawl.
Stump hill !! I would love to see this opened back up as part of the orv route.
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"We're gonna restore this area back to its original state of nature!" Cuts down a ton of fuckin trees.
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Old March 8th, 2014, 01:35 PM   #58
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o is that how it works DNR officer Alex?
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No I just think its funny when you put it into that context.
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I can never find the e-mail when I am looking for it, but the money that goes into the ORV Fund has a further breakdown into trail maintenance/improvement grants, law enforcement, damage mitigation, and administrative costs.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(xni...=mcl-324-81119

NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT (EXCERPT)
Act 451 of 1994


324.81119 Distribution of revenue in form of grants.
Sec. 81119.

(1) Not less than 50% of the money in the off-road vehicle account shall be distributed each year in the form of grants for the purpose of planning, improving, constructing, signing, and maintaining ORV trails, areas, and routes and access to those trails, areas, and routes, the leasing of land, the acquisition of easements, permits, or other agreements for the use of land for ORV trails, areas, and routes, to public agencies and nonprofit incorporated clubs and organizations.

(2) An application by a public agency or a nonprofit incorporated club or organization shall include a plan for restoration of any of the natural resources of this state on public land that are damaged due to ORV use. The public agencies or nonprofit incorporated clubs or organizations shall indicate on their application that their use of grant money is consistent with, and meets the requirements of, the plan developed by the department pursuant to section 81123, and the trail, route, or area is available to the public. The department shall not approve a grant unless the application meets the requirements of the plan. The department shall make application forms available and consider grant requests on a yearly basis.

(3) A grant shall not be made for a trail, route, or area unless the trail, route, or area is available for ORV use and is approved by the department. A grant for the cost of leasing of land and the acquisition of easements, permits, or other agreements may equal 100% of incurred expense. Specifications shall be prescribed by the department.

(4) Not less than 31-1/4% of the money in the off-road vehicle account shall be used each year for enforcement of this part or the purchase of any necessary equipment used for enforcement of this part. Of the amount available for enforcement, the department shall make available 24% of the funds for distribution in the form of grants by the department to the county sheriffs' departments. The balance of the funds available shall be used by the department for the enforcement of this part or for the purchase of any necessary equipment used for the enforcement of this part. In making grants available for distribution under this subsection, the department shall consider the following factors:

(a) The number of miles of ORV trails, routes, or areas within the county.

(b) The number of sheriff's department employees available for enforcement of this part.

(c) The estimated number of ORVs within the county and that are brought into the county for ORV use.

(d) The estimated number of days that ORVs may be used within that county.

(e) Any other factors considered appropriate by the department. The department shall require a county sheriff receiving a grant under this subsection to maintain records and submit an annual report to verify expenditure of grant money received.

(5) Not less than 12-1/2% of the revenue in the off-road vehicle account shall be distributed each year in the form of grants to public agencies and nonprofit incorporated clubs and organizations for the restoration of damage that is caused by ORV use to natural resources on public land. A grant under this subsection may be in addition to a grant under subsection (1). An application for a grant under this subsection shall comply with subsection (2).

(6) Not more than 3-1/8% of the revenue in the off-road vehicle account in any year shall be used for administration of this part. The department may use revenue from the funds for personnel to operate the program under this part.

(7) The remaining 3-1/8% of the revenue in the off-road vehicle account may be used for the purposes described in subsections (1) and (4), except that 25 cents of each fee for a license sold by a dealer shall be retained by the dealer as a commission for services rendered. If the remainder of the money in the off-road vehicle account is used for the purposes described in subsection (4), it shall be allocated as provided in subsection (4).

(8) Grants under this section shall remain available until expended once a contract or commitment has been entered into under this section. A contract shall be for a period of not more than 2 years. A grant not expended within the contract period may be renewed by the department by entering into a new contract.


History: Add. 1995, Act 58, Imd. Eff. May 24, 1995 ;-- Am. 2004, Act 587, Eff. Dec. 23, 2006
Compiler's Notes: Enacting section 2 of Act 587 of 2004 provides:"Enacting section 2. This amendatory act does not take effect unless House Joint Resolution Z of the 92nd Legislature becomes a part of the state constitution of 1963 as provided in section 1 of article XII of the state constitution of 1963."
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