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Old January 10th, 2014, 11:24 AM   #21
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Old January 10th, 2014, 12:37 PM   #22
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Because he's still a sinner who is saved only by grace. He's not perfect. In your previous statement you said you wouldn't want an out of shape slob as your trainer (niether would I if I needed one). The thing about Christianity is that we are all 'out of shape slobs'. The only difference in the pastor is that he may be a bit closer to 'in shape (what ever that is)' then the rest of his congregation.

Either way though, he's still an out of shape slob. Which I find to be more encouraging then a 'perfect' person telling me what to do.
Well, since you used the analogy.

If I am at the gym to get fit, I don't want to listen to an out of shape slob as to how to get there because he has not shown he can get there himself.

If I am at the church to become a better person I don't want to listen to a hypocrit tell me how to be a better person when he himself isn't a better person.

I've been to catholic churches, and a few other christian churches (sorry i don't have more detail for you), and all fo those people seem to be preaching what we should do, but not all of them are doing as they say.

You'll need a better analgoy if you want to convince me to come to church
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Old January 10th, 2014, 01:26 PM   #23
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Well, since you used the analogy.



If I am at the gym to get fit, I don't want to listen to an out of shape slob as to how to get there because he has not shown he can get there himself.



If I am at the church to become a better person I don't want to listen to a hypocrit tell me how to be a better person when he himself isn't a better person.



I've been to catholic churches, and a few other christian churches (sorry i don't have more detail for you), and all fo those people seem to be preaching what we should do, but not all of them are doing as they say.



You'll need a better analgoy if you want to convince me to come to church

At some point aren't we all hypocrites ? Maybe not deliberately and I'm sure we try not to be but, honestly? Maybe going to church for the wrong reason, a visit with
friends,after worship dinner, music. We have a summer bible camp for kids. A lot of parents ( some divorced) need a break, so they send the kids. Then on family night they come. Some kids continue to come to church, sometimes the parents do to. Maybe just something that happens outside the church. Can end being the thing that opens you up to God. He's not just inside the walls of a church.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 01:28 PM   #24
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At some point yes, we probably end up as hypocrites. I am just considering the more obvious examples since that's what was posted in the original post.
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Well, since you used the analogy.

If I am at the gym to get fit, I don't want to listen to an out of shape slob as to how to get there because he has not shown he can get there himself.

If I am at the church to become a better person I don't want to listen to a hypocrit tell me how to be a better person when he himself isn't a better person.

I've been to catholic churches, and a few other christian churches (sorry i don't have more detail for you), and all fo those people seem to be preaching what we should do, but not all of them are doing as they say.

You'll need a better analgoy if you want to convince me to come to church
You're so wrong!

I go to leadership and self-improvement conventions where homeless bums are the presenters. They are the most fit for that type of role.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 02:13 PM   #26
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Well, since you used the analogy.

If I am at the gym to get fit, I don't want to listen to an out of shape slob as to how to get there because he has not shown he can get there himself.

If I am at the church to become a better person I don't want to listen to a hypocrit tell me how to be a better person when he himself isn't a better person.

I've been to catholic churches, and a few other christian churches (sorry i don't have more detail for you), and all fo those people seem to be preaching what we should do, but not all of them are doing as they say.

You'll need a better analgoy if you want to convince me to come to church

How do you know if they are doing what they say or not? If you don't go to the church regularly, then how do you know what those people do/do not do? I would guess you woudl have to judge them on first appearances.

I guess it's a matter of understanding from the congregation. That understanding is that they use "should" and other similar words because we all know we're not perfect and we fail daily. That also doesn't mean we should stop striving for that goal. Think of them as setting goals for thier congregants. Just like a trainer would do if you were to go for them to enhance your riding or running or what ever.

Also, another point, Most coaches and trainers for professional athletes rarely have done as well as their protege's. That would indicate that you can teach someone to strive for a higher goal even if you haven't reach that goal your self. The reason for that is that those trainers and coaches have had the experience to know what not to do. Just like pastors have lived and learned what not to do in the Christian walk.
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Well, since you used the analogy.

If I am at the gym to get fit, I don't want to listen to an out of shape slob as to how to get there because he has not shown he can get there himself.

If I am at the church to become a better person I don't want to listen to a hypocrit tell me how to be a better person when he himself isn't a better person.

I've been to catholic churches, and a few other christian churches (sorry i don't have more detail for you), and all fo those people seem to be preaching what we should do, but not all of them are doing as they say.

You'll need a better analgoy if you want to convince me to come to church
The point he's trying to make is that neither your fitness trainer at the gym nor the preacher in the church is going to be perfect. Just because they don't practice what they preach 100% of the time does not mean you can't learn from their teachings.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 02:36 PM   #28
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The point he's trying to make is that neither your fitness trainer at the gym nor the preacher in the church is going to be perfect. Just because they don't practice what they preach 100% of the time does not mean you can't learn from their teachings.
I get that point, but clearly you didn't look at the meme in the very first post that didn't say "primarily fit Personal trainer who screws up from time to time" it said "not going to the gym because of out of shape people". It's a poor analogy, as I don't give two shits less what the other members of the church are doing or not doing, I don't go for them, I go to get the message from the person delivering it.

Same as the gym, I don't care what any other person at the gym is doing, I go for a purpose and as long as I acheive that purpose it's a good visit.

The difference is at church you don't just go and do your own thing, you listen to someone "preach" to you. And if the preacher/pastor/reverend/preist is a hypocrit how can you believe in their message?
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Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
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I get that point, but clearly you didn't look at the meme in the very first post that didn't say "primarily fit Personal trainer who screws up from time to time" it said "not going to the gym because of out of shape people". It's a poor analogy, as I don't give two shits less what the other members of the church are doing or not doing, I don't go for them, I go to get the message from the person delivering it.

Same as the gym, I don't care what any other person at the gym is doing, I go for a purpose and as long as I acheive that purpose it's a good visit.

The difference is at church you don't just go and do your own thing, you listen to someone "preach" to you. And if the preacher/pastor/reverend/preist is a hypocrit how can you believe in their message?
I guess the meme doesn't apply to you then. It doesn't really do much for me either since I do not frequent either establishment.
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Just a little humor for your Friday morning.
Lol @ all the arguing.

I don't go to any church because I don't believe in the stuff that is preached. It has nothing to do with anyone being hypocritical or overweight.
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1Corinthians 13 [NKJV] And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

5Galatians 22-23 [NRSV] By contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things.
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So much for this being a humor thread. Instead it has become yet another venue of people saying the same shit over and over again.
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So much for this being a humor thread. Instead it has become yet another venue of people saying the same shit over and over again.
It's true. My fault really. Shouldn't have fed it.



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