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Old January 7th, 2014, 12:19 PM   #81
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Old January 7th, 2014, 12:22 PM   #82
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My mothers boyfriend in Farmington Mi had his drive way done. City/county: who ever plowed his street afterwards. His car is stuck on the snow mound at end of his driveway.
Should he call the City/County to come get his car out.
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IMO, here are acceptable reasons to post on facebook;

-We have been out plowing for hours and need some rest. We apologize for any delays but will get to you as soon as possible.
-We have been out for hours and driveways are filling in faster than we can open them up. We apologize for any delays and will start up as soon as the snow lets up.
-Due to the snowfall, the local authorities have asked that all but emergency vehicles stay off the roads. We are honoring this request and will be out plowing as soon as we can. We apologize for any delays.

Not acceptable (rewritten in my sarcastic translation);
-Even though we are a plow company with 4wd trucks and you hired us to plow your driveway, we are afraid of the snow and will stay home till the county has plowed all of the roads so we can get to your house.
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IMO, here are acceptable reasons to post on facebook;

-We have been out plowing for hours and need some rest. We apologize for any delays but will get to you as soon as possible.
-We have been out for hours and driveways are filling in faster than we can open them up. We apologize for any delays and will start up as soon as the snow lets up.
-Due to the snowfall, the local authorities have asked that all but emergency vehicles stay off the roads. We are honoring this request and will be out plowing as soon as we can. We apologize for any delays.

Not acceptable (rewritten in my sarcastic translation);
-Even though we are a plow company with 4wd trucks and you hired us to plow your driveway, we are afraid of the snow and will stay home till the county has plowed all of the roads so we can get to your house.
Reasoning does not apply here. Snow plowing, just like the internet, is serious business.
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Old January 7th, 2014, 02:19 PM   #85
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IMO, here are acceptable reasons to post on facebook;

-We have been out plowing for hours and need some rest. We apologize for any delays but will get to you as soon as possible.
-We have been out for hours and driveways are filling in faster than we can open them up. We apologize for any delays and will start up as soon as the snow lets up.
-Due to the snowfall, the local authorities have asked that all but emergency vehicles stay off the roads. We are honoring this request and will be out plowing as soon as we can. We apologize for any delays.

Not acceptable (rewritten in my sarcastic translation);
-Even though we are a plow company with 4wd trucks and you hired us to plow your driveway, we are afraid of the snow and will stay home till the county has plowed all of the roads so we can get to your house.
So, would CC's brothers plow company qualify as the police were urging motorists to stay off the roads Sunday to allow plow crews to do their work or does it have to be an official no travel mandate?
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So, would CC's brothers plow company qualify as the police were urging motorists to stay off the roads Sunday to allow plow crews to do their work or does it have to be an official no travel mandate?
No, because that's not what they said, nor was there a mandate. Disclaimer; I did not go to the web site to read it, but from the dra ma that I have been reading between you guys, it sounds like it was the decision of the plow company to puss out, not the authorities forcing them off the roads.

I was also reading on another website that no one has been able to cite a law where you can be stopped or ticketed for driving on bad roads, or for an officer to be able to pull you over to ask your intentions. (4th amendment)
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I am sure Kellys brother signed a long term contract with them since he was very happy with their service.

Thats the crux of this. SERVICE. They own a business. They can close whenever they want. That is their prerogative (™Bobby Brown). But Kelly's brother can refuse to hire them again and tell everyone he knows about them as a SHITTY company. That's his Bobby Brown ability.

I am not sure why Chad doesn't understand this.

Again, using my LA/Southwest story (which is very real).....Chad would be motherfucking (™Immortal in Kentucky) Southwest like crazy if that happened to him. But based off his arguments, these people need to apply for the SW member loyalty card as who gives a fukc about customer service if the contract says its OK.
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No, because that's not what they said, nor was there a mandate. Disclaimer; I did not go to the web site to read it, but from the dra ma that I have been reading between you guys, it sounds like it was the decision of the plow company to puss out, not the authorities forcing them off the roads.

I was also reading on another website that no one has been able to cite a law where you can be stopped or ticketed for driving on bad roads, or for an officer to be able to pull you over to ask your intentions. (4th amendment)
There was not a mandate. However it was stated on the news MANY times over to stay off the roads and avoid travel unless necessary. I saw MULTIPLE postings by "official" city web sites/police/etc urging people to stay off the roads. As you said, no one can be "mandated".

I don't see anywhere on their page where they specifically stated they were not going out on the roads because of the snow.

I saw where they stated they wanted their drivers to get some rest.

I saw where they stated they would plow out all of their customers in a timely fashion and within the stated terms of their contract.

I saw where they got snippy and told people they had the options of digging themselves out.

I saw legitemate reasons to let customers know why they had not gotten to them yet.

I saw a company that did not handle the situation very well. Which in the end will cause them some pain.

I didn't see them do anything wrong from a work stand point. I saw them struggle to communicate the choices made properly.
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I am sure Kellys brother signed a long term contract with them since he was very happy with their service.

Thats the crux of this. SERVICE. They own a business. They can close whenever they want. That is their prerogative (™Bobby Brown). But Kelly's brother can refuse to hire them again and tell everyone he knows about them as a SHITTY company. That's his Bobby Brown ability.

I am not sure why Chad doesn't understand this.

Again, using my LA/Southwest story (which is very real).....Chad would be motherfucking (™Immortal in Kentucky) Southwest like crazy if that happened to him. But based off his arguments, these people need to apply for the SW member loyalty card as who gives a fukc about customer service if the contract says its OK.

I never once argued that they handled the situation properly. But CC's reasoning for why they did not come out and plow his brother was nowhere on their facebook page as he stated it.

It is ridiculous to think your plow guy should keep every ounce of snow off your driveway during a 24 Hour + long snowstorm where they have other customers to go and plow out.

Imagine, most plow contracts state you will get plowed when you have 2+ inches of snow. If they started plowing when there was 2+" of snow on the very first driveway only 2 hours later they would have had to turn back to keep that driveway "100%" clear. As more snow falls, the roads get worse, and the drivers get more tired they will need a break at some point and it will eventually take longer and longer for the plow guys to get to each and every neighborhood and driveway on their list.

I understand people want their shit done, but I don't understand why it is so hard for anyone to understand that it is going to take a while and the plow company can not operate 24/7 to get to your precious little driveway.
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Shit, my brother just posted a picture of him using his bobcat to remove snow, it stopped snowing over 24 hours ago, it became too heavy for the trucks to remove it and they are now using their bobcat to finish it up and move snow so they can finish the plowing.

I'm certain though, that they shouldn't have taken any breaks during this time period due to poor travel conditions, driver fatigue, hunger or anything else, because it wouldn't satisfy CC.
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The situation was handled incorrectly in regards to the PR about the circumstances. If, however, the company is meeting the requirements of their contracts then I think it's fine.
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The situation was handled incorrectly in regards to the PR about the circumstances. If, however, the company is meeting the requirements of their contracts then I think it's fine.
Realy if you look at their facebook page it isn't nearly as "fuck you" as CC made it out to be. Though I am sure he has edited/deleted a few of the posts.

I just went back and read it.
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Yeah I read it too and telling people how to feel/do (relax) can piss people off. If I felt I wasn't getting a service I thought I should be getting and someone told me to relax that would piss me off. Instead he should have just told people that they are enacting whatever emergency clause they have and they will still complete the work as described in the contract.
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Yeah I read it too and telling people how to feel/do (relax) can piss people off. If I felt I wasn't getting a service I thought I should be getting and someone told me to relax that would piss me off. Instead he should have just told people that they are enacting whatever emergency clause they have and they will still complete the work as described in the contract.
I can not argue with that.

I never said his wording was good. But I understand and actually support their actions/ability to get the work done as best as I can interpret it based on his facebook posts.
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No, because that's not what they said, nor was there a mandate. Disclaimer; I did not go to the web site to read it, but from the dra ma that I have been reading between you guys, it sounds like it was the decision of the plow company to puss out, not the authorities forcing them off the roads.

I was also reading on another website that no one has been able to cite a law where you can be stopped or ticketed for driving on bad roads, or for an officer to be able to pull you over to ask your intentions. (4th amendment)

Our sister store is located in a town that did issue a traffic ban on non essential travel yesterday. Employees were told to report anyway by management. At least one was issued a citation.....i am unsure what the citation read but they were told it was being issued due to violation of the mandate.
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Nothing like derailing a thread but what the hell. So, I went back and found this because I couldn't remember how it started.

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My friend uses them to plow. They simply didn't show up yesterday, and when he called they said "sorry, there is to much snow, it's not safe for us to be out there"





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Your other option is to start shoveling. Because it will be some time before your home will be completed. And if your are one of the early homes. Your home will be done again after all drivers are rested.
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I didn't go to their facebook page so I'm basing what I know from the above post. What I now see is that Chad agrees with Kelly that they didn't handle it well.

There was no mandate to be off the road, the choice was totally theirs. Their statements sucked, regardless of what they "meant" to say. Which, from what I read, was all that Kelly was saying.

I was on the local roads Sunday afternoon, Monday morning and Monday afternoon. I saw several people plowing and for the life of me, for someone with a full size 4wd truck who specializes in snow removal, I don't see why anyone would say "there is too much snow" or that they needed to enact an extreme weather clause.
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Our sister store is located in a town that did issue a traffic ban yesterday. Employees were told to report anyway by management. At least one was issued a citation.....i am unsure what the citation read but they were told it was being issued due to violation of the mandate.
Please find and cite a Michigan law that makes this enforceable. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying I haven't seen where anyone can find it.

I don't know if you have to be registered on MGO to read this but these guys live and breathe with using exact law language. So far, no one has found it. Go to the last page. The guy who closed the thread is an attorney and he can't find a law.
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Please find and cite a Michigan law that makes this enforceable. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying I haven't seen where anyone can find it.
I was simply stating it happened. I have no knowledge of how or why it is enforceable. (If it truly even is).
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