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Old December 23rd, 2006, 03:14 AM   #1
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Nothing helps a hurting economy more than raising taxes.
It's coming.
Dumb voters elect a dumb bitch.
Heaven forbid she really cut back on services.


Granholm: State must raise taxes or cut back
Looming deficit challenges officials to devise remedies

December 22, 2006

Gov. Jennifer Granholm tells reporters in her ceremonial offices in the Capitol that government must weigh taxation against state services. (MANDI WRIGHT/Detroit Free Press)
LANSING -- Gov. Jennifer Granholm used a yearend news conference Thursday to warn that Michigan's economic doldrums would continue into 2007, forcing state policy makers to choose between increasing taxes and significant cuts in services.

Granholm declined to outline her preference but repeatedly emphasized the value of investing in education, health care and other government services in creating a better future. She also said she believes voters rejected an economic policy based on tax cuts and smaller government when they returned her to office by an overwhelming margin.

At the same time, she avoided answering questions about whether she is prepared to call for a tax increase to address the state's budget deficit, which she said could be in the range of $3 billion.

"I'm not giving you a headline to write," she said. "I'm preparing people for the fact that this is going to be significantly challenging."

Her reticence was understandable, given the volatility of the tax debate. An online summary of the governor's remarks on the Free Press' Web site, fFreep.com, generated more than 170 comments, most of them critical of tax increases.

And legislative Republicans seemed to interpret Granholm's comments as a prelude to a tax increase proposal.

Incoming Senate Majority Leader Mike Bishop, R-Rochester, issued a statement a few hours after the governor's remarks, saying higher taxes would not be on his agenda in 2007. But Bishop didn't entirely foreclose the option.

"The Senate Republicans will not look to tax increases as our first answer to any budget problem," he said. We need to live within our means, and, if we can't, it is not up to the hardworking citizens of Michigan to bail us out."

Granholm and Republicans in the Legislature have been at odds all year about taxation, especially the lawmakers' decision to back elimination of the state's main business tax two years ahead of its scheduled expiration. The tax cut, to take effect in 2008, is projected to leave a $1.9-billion hole in state revenues. Granholm has called for new business taxes to replace all the revenue, and Republicans have argued that the replacements should result in a net tax cut.

Speaking next to a Christmas tree in her ceremonial Capitol office Thursday, Granholm called for "a balance" between levels of taxation and the delivery of key services. She avoided answering inquiries about how to best raise taxes if taxes need to be raised.

There are lots of choices, none of them particularly attractive to elected officials.

The state's two primary general taxes, sales and income, could be changed in many ways, expanding the sales taxes to such services as hair cuts and car repairs, for instance. Raising the income tax rate could quickly increase revenues by hundreds of millions of dollars.

But the governor made it clear Thursday she is in no hurry to make any suggestions of that sort.
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Old December 23rd, 2006, 08:07 AM   #2
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Did it ever cross her mind that less taxes bring more people and businesses to collect those taxes from? 500 people paying $40 for something gets you just a little bit more than 200 people paying $50 for the same thing...
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Old December 23rd, 2006, 08:32 AM   #3
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...or cut back
Sounds like a plan.

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Old December 23rd, 2006, 10:49 PM   #4
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Stan for gub-a-nor-tor.
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Old December 24th, 2006, 01:42 AM   #5
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She also said she believes voters rejected an economic policy based on tax cuts and smaller government when they returned her to office by an overwhelming margin.
I'd like to know how many people that voted for her agree with that.
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Old December 24th, 2006, 06:10 PM   #6
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She has done that quite well. It's hard to pay for anything when you start out in the whole that was left from the last elected official.

I'm all for raising taxes so for many reasons. Two quick ones are to pay for public works and to pay the workers of the state.
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huh, invest in MORE government, or CUT BACK the gov...hmmm...i vote to CUT the gov't size more
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Old December 26th, 2006, 01:17 PM   #8
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huh, invest in MORE government, or CUT BACK the gov...hmmm...i vote to CUT the gov't size more

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Old December 26th, 2006, 01:23 PM   #9
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huh, invest in MORE government, or CUT BACK the gov...hmmm...i vote to CUT the gov't size more
I guess you missed the incredible downsizing that has already happened.
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Old December 26th, 2006, 05:36 PM   #10
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I'm all for raising taxes so for many reasons. Two quick ones are to pay for public works and to pay the workers of the state.
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Last time I checked people in Chicago don't pay michigan taxes!So S.T.F.U.
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Old December 26th, 2006, 05:41 PM   #11
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Last time I checked people in Chicago don't pay michigan taxes!So S.T.F.U.
oops, I forgot I moved to a state with an economy that has more then one industry to support it . . .

O well, poor MI.
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Its not my fault she's still in there but I have to pay for it anyway . . . .

I missed waving at her(with one finger) at our St. Pat's Parade back in March. Maybe she will be back in '07!!
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Old December 26th, 2006, 06:02 PM   #13
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oops, I forgot I moved to a state with an economy that has more then one industry to support it . . .

O well, poor MI.

So which one is it? The office that was in before the BITCH or is it the ONE industy that suports the state.Please make up your mind and let us know!Thanks!!!
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I have no opinion on this, the governor out here is simply ACTING while his wife runs the state. It's the most convincing role he's played yet.... Monkey Puppet.
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Old December 26th, 2006, 06:09 PM   #15
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I have no opinion on this, the governor out here is simply ACTING while his wife runs the state. It's the most convincing role he's played yet.... Monkey Puppet.
I hope that his acting as govenor was better than in "jingle all the way"
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I hope that his acting as govenor was better than in "jingle all the way"
He got re-elected... not sure if that means anything.
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So which one is it? The office that was in before the BITCH or is it the ONE industy that suports the state.Please make up your mind and let us know!Thanks!!!
It's the combination of both but I doubt you can understand that due to what you have given us so far so I won't bother trying to explain it.

But don't worry, I can't vote in the next MI election . . .
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I guess you missed the incredible downsizing that has already happened.
soooo, what you're saying is that since she has already made cuts, theres no way there is any more fat in the gov't??? huh, somehow that just doesnt make any sense. and how can u say she has done a good job? this state is inching ever closer to the days of blanchard. besides, you must see something wrong with mighigan if you didnt stay when you graduated, right?? oh, thats right, because our grand leader has LOST MORE JOBS THAN CREATED, there was nothing here for you. huh, and yet u still stand up for her
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soooo, what you're saying is that since she has already made cuts, theres no way there is any more fat in the gov't??? huh, somehow that just doesnt make any sense. and how can u say she has done a good job? this state is inching ever closer to the days of blanchard. besides, you must see something wrong with mighigan if you didnt stay when you graduated, right?? oh, thats right, because our grand leader has LOST MORE JOBS THAN CREATED, there was nothing here for you. huh, and yet u still stand up for her
Actually there were lots of jobs in my field and more and more each day. But if you haven't noticed Chicago is a pretty cool city and yes I think she is doing a good job for the cards she was delt. The Gov. can't help when the economy takes a dump in the industry sector and the state happens to be industry biased . . . or do you think she is to blame for all of Ford and GM and DCX and then all of the other manufacturing companies that deal basically with the auto industry or any other manufacturing job that can be sent overseas were the labor is less?

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Actually there were lots of jobs in my field and more and more each day. But if you haven't noticed Chicago is a pretty cool city and yes I think she is doing a good job for the cards she was delt. The Gov. can't help when the economy takes a dump in the industry sector and the state happens to be industry biased . . . or do you think she is to blame for all of Ford and GM and DCX and then all of the other manufacturing companies that deal basically with the auto industry or any other manufacturing job that can be sent overseas were the labor is less?
well, since she and her democrat cronies are so stongly behind the unions that are driving the industrial jobs out of this state, maybe she shares the responsibilty of the problem. if she was so strongly supported by the people this year, why not take a stand, and inform the unions that THEY are the root cause of these problems, and that maybe they should back down if they hope to exist in the next 10 years or so. as for chicago, theres a saying that i hear all the time here, "the best thing about chicago is leaving".

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