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Old December 15th, 2013, 07:49 PM   #1
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I have been wanting to build a sbr out a ak47 for a while and I know I need permission from the atf . Anyone done it before what is needed?
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Yep... you need to wait for them to be legalized in Michigan.

The bill is still floating around. Not 100% sure on the actual progress at this exact moment but I know it isn't law yet.

As of right now... SBR is ILLEGAL in Michigan for us common folk.
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Build a AK pistol with a virgin receiver and then add a butt stock when legal.

When legal means when the law changes and you do the necessary paperwork and paid the 200 tax..
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Just to reiterate the fact... IF YOU BUILD A SBR IN MICHIGAN YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON.
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Just to reiterate the fact if you build a pistol it has to be a new receiver never built as a rifle .
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I don't know if they offer anything for the ak but for an ar you can register as a pistol and put a stabilizer on it that straps to your arm. The back side of that arm stabilizer is basically a butt stock. You are all good as long as it is a stabilizer. I'll try to remember to get a picture of it with the arm piece that attaches to the stabilizer.

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Heres my latest pistol in 223. The nice thing about the AR style gun is it has to have the tube in back. On the AK it worrys me where the line between stablizer and butt stock is.
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damn gubbermint I guess ill get a ak pistol and wait for the sbr to be passed
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I don't know if they offer anything for the ak but for an ar you can register as a pistol and put a stabilizer on it that straps to your arm. The back side of that arm stabilizer is basically a butt stock. You are all good as long as it is a stabilizer. I'll try to remember to get a picture of it with the arm piece that attaches to the stabilizer.

That is called a buffer tube on the back of that ar...it doesn't work without it...and you cannot convert a pistol to a rifle, even if they ever allow sbr in MI
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That is called a buffer tube on the back of that ar...it doesn't work without it...and you cannot convert a pistol to a rifle, even if they ever allow sbr in MI
Thats the funny thing is a sbr by Mi law IS a pistol . Unless they plan to rewrite the law again .
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That is called a buffer tube on the back of that ar...it doesn't work without it...and you cannot convert a pistol to a rifle, even if they ever allow sbr in MI
Chad is talking about a new device that mounts to the tube for "stabilization", and of course it looks a lot like a small stock with a strap on it. And it's approved by the Feds.
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This.
http://sigsauer.com/SigStore/sb15-pi...brace-552.aspx
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That is called a buffer tube on the back of that ar...it doesn't work without it...and you cannot convert a pistol to a rifle, even if they ever allow sbr in MI
I'm not sure thats entirely true. You can convert a pistol to a rifle, but you cannot convert it back legally without filling out some kind of form. I think its illegal to convert a rifle to a pistol.

Starting with a rifle, and after getting your paperwork, you can do a short barrel. But, converting it to a pistol is illegal.

But I'm assuming because of the 30" law in Michigan, it would mess with what other states consider legal. I know they are trying to change it to 26" though.
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That is called a buffer tube on the back of that ar...it doesn't work without it...and you cannot convert a pistol to a rifle, even if they ever allow sbr in MI
I realize that but you can legally put a forearm stabilizer on it that also has a flat back that can be used just like a stock. That makes it completely legal and still gives you the option to shoot it like a rifle. You can't tell me that you can't add a forearm stabilizer on a ak pistol.
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Thats the funny thing is a sbr by Mi law IS a pistol . Unless they plan to rewrite the law again .
Do you know what the terminology Michigan uses that makes SBRs illegal then. Is it some combination of barrel length and having a shoulder stock?

Federally, you can do a SBR from a pistol, it's the same $200 NFA tax.
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Do you know what the terminology Michigan uses that makes SBRs illegal then. Is it some combination of barrel length and having a shoulder stock?

Federally, you can do a SBR from a pistol, it's the same $200 NFA tax.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%2...e=mcl-750-224b

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(k) "Short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having 1 or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a weapon made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
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(e) "Pistol" means a loaded or unloaded firearm that is 26 inches or less in length, or a loaded or unloaded firearm that by its construction and appearance conceals itself as a firearm.
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(k) "Short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having 1 or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a weapon made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
Yeah, it almost makes me wonder if there is a work-around. If you start with an AR pistol you are not modifying a rifle. And by MI definition that AR pistol would remain a pistol (if under 26"), even if though federally you turned it into a SBR.

But I don't have a strong enough legal team to give that one a try.
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