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Old December 8th, 2013, 02:01 PM   #1
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We have sixty recessed lights in our house and all but two are on dimmers. Would love to replace the bulbs with LED's (Dimmable CFL's are WAY pricey).

I know DTE has incentives for CFL's but what about LED's? Consumers Energy came in a replaced ALL of the recessed bulbs with LED in my buddies pub in Holly, but obviously that is not a residential situation.

Anyone with any insight???
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I think my recessed lights offset my heating bill, but I did replace the ones in my kitchen for the coily bulbs.

I think LEDs are still a bit pricey, no?
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I think LEDs are still a bit pricey, no?
About $20 each, but with sixty of them, that is a chunk of change!
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About $20 each, but with sixty of them, that is a chunk of change!
Yea that is a bunch of $$$

Why is it that the people we pay money to for electricity want our bills to be cheaper? Do they get a Gov't subsidy to be more efficient?
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If you run all your bulbs at the same time for 4 hrs a night on average, you'd be saving ~ 9.60 a day assuming .10/kWh

You'd pay for a bulb every two days if you averaged that much bulb time and a 40 watt difference in power draw.

I would probably just replace a room at a time as bulbs go bad, and use the bulbs that are still good to replace the other rooms, so you aren't throwing usable bulbs away...
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Old December 8th, 2013, 02:43 PM   #6
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Yea that is a bunch of $$$

Why is it that the people we pay money to for electricity want our bills to be cheaper? Do they get a Gov't subsidy to be more efficient?
From what understand it is two fold.

1. The gov't has forced them to provide incentives (which probably = subsidies).

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2. It is cheaper for the energy providers to assist us in using LESS energy than it is for them to increase their production to cover everyone using a shit ton of energy.

This is what I have heard, don't take it as gospel.
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I understand what you are saying. However, I don't understand why they will pay for light bulbs, yet they can't seem to maintain lines worth a shit. I am in the Consumers area and we have lines and poles that are litterly scary. They have poles in the middle of fields and swamps, when said poles fail they rig them for months until the can get a truck back there. Why don't they take the light bulb welfare money and maintain there supply system. I will gladly donate my light bulb check back so we can have a reliable power grid.

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We are in the middle of building and just had DTE on site (a sight planner). According to him, right now there are not any incentives for LED. I am in the same boat.
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We have sixty recessed lights in our house and all but two are on dimmers. Would love to replace the bulbs with LED's (Dimmable CFL's are WAY pricey).

I know DTE has incentives for CFL's but what about LED's? Consumers Energy came in a replaced ALL of the recessed bulbs with LED in my buddies pub in Holly, but obviously that is not a residential situation.

Anyone with any insight???
We have about the same number of recessed lights and all on dimmers too. If you find a cheap place for the bulbs, be sure to post it up.
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From what understand it is two fold.

1. The gov't has forced them to provide incentives (which probably = subsidies).

and

2. It is cheaper for the energy providers to assist us in using LESS energy than it is for them to increase their production to cover everyone using a shit ton of energy.

This is what I have heard, don't take it as gospel.
Thank Grandholm

This is Consumers note:

"2008 Public Act 295 allows for recovery of approved costs for the energy efficiency plan. The MPSC approved a per KWH surcharge for residential customers and monthly per meter surcharges for business customers to recover the costs associated with the companies Energy Efficiency Programs."

Mine was $2.20 this month
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We have about the same number of recessed lights and all on dimmers too. If you find a cheap place for the bulbs, be sure to post it up.
havent found them cheap yet i need about 35 to 40
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Just throwing this out there but I might be able to get you a better deal on LED's than $20 each. I have a connection in China that I can buy from directly. I have a few of them at my house right now but not to many. I also have a few 4' LED replacements for fluorescent tubes available right now as I m in the process of changing all my 4' bulbs over in my barn. I have changed all my house bulbs over to LED's already.

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We have sixty recessed lights in our house and all but two are on dimmers. Would love to replace the bulbs with LED's (Dimmable CFL's are WAY pricey).

I know DTE has incentives for CFL's but what about LED's? Consumers Energy came in a replaced ALL of the recessed bulbs with LED in my buddies pub in Holly, but obviously that is not a residential situation.

Anyone with any insight???
DTE will cover 20-50% of the cost of an energy conversion. We have been doing energy audits for companies, and we can submit the information to DTE.
We can submit T12 - T8 fixture swaps, replacing HID fixtures to induction, and replacing HID / Sodium exterior lights over to LED.

Consumers must be offering something else, because as far as I know, DTE has never handed out free lighting on a commercial level during the last two years.


Personally I think it is bullshit that the government is subsidizing energy saving plans for businesses, and I think it would be more bullshit if they gave free lights out to home owners. If you want to save money as a business, why not go buy new fixtures? Swapping from halogen or HID lighting to LED lighting typically pays for itself in 460 days, plus the maintenance costs are basically zero for 26 years. No ballasts to worry about, and no lamps, ignitors, or broken sockets to worry about..

Same goes for home owners. Why should the government give free shit out to lower their bills? A CFL swap or LED swap will typically pay for itself in one year if it is used over 144 hours per month. If you swap a light bulb that is used less than 5 hours per week over to CFL or LED, the break even point is around 100 years.


I know I'm not waiting in line for light bulb welfare.
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They just changed the streetlight to LED, I'm surprised we haven't had any aircraft approach for landing. Those fuggers are bright.
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