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Old November 26th, 2013, 10:39 PM   #1
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Once you go laser you'll never go back is what I'm afraid of.

What are your thoughts? Thinking of going kimber ultra carry with crimson trace to replace my Ruger SR9c as my carry gun.

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Old November 27th, 2013, 12:16 AM   #2
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Lasers teach bad habits. They are great as a visible deterrent to the offender, but I wouldn't train with it.
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I have the Crimson trace grips on my M&P9c. While they are nice I don't rely on them. I always train using the stock sights. I think they might come in handy if someone were to break into the house in the night. But other than that I don't really see were they would be much better than the rail sights. When I am at the outdoor range in daylight situations it is hard to pick up the laser sometimes unless we are using the 7 yard or 15 yard lane.

If I had it to do again I wouldn't have wasted the additional cash. Just my .02.
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Lasers teach bad habits. They are great as a visible deterrent to the offender, but I wouldn't train with it.
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I have the Crimson trace grips on my M&P9c. While they are nice I don't rely on them. I always train using the stock sights. I think they might come in handy if someone were to break into the house in the night. But other than that I don't really see were they would be much better than the rail sights. When I am at the outdoor range in daylight situations it is hard to pick up the laser sometimes unless we are using the 7 yard or 15 yard lane.

If I had it to do again I wouldn't have wasted the additional cash. Just my .02.
I agree with these guys.......I have the CT on my LC9 but try and shoot most often with the sights.
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Old November 27th, 2013, 07:35 AM   #5
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Shootings happen fast, in the blink of an eye.
When it is game time, you will perform like you trained (or didn't).
If you think it will go like: "danger, squeeze, red dot, peril, press trigger, fire".
It will be more like: "Shit, shit, shit", BANG! "Did I do that?"

If you shoot weekly, running and gunning, red dots are fine, but if think the red dot will strike fear in the hearts of you enemies you might be unpleasantly surprised.
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If low light visibility is your concern get night sights. I've tried using a laser and hated it, it was cumbersome, unnatural and didn't seem as accurate as irons
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I have lasers on all of my home defense weapons simply because the Insight M6X has one built in. The lasers are only used when I detach them from the firearms and let the dogs chase the dots.

Visual deterrent. That's really all they're good for. I've seen too many people (even in the Army) think that a laser dot on the target is all they need to actually hit the target. Fail.
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I've used on a few times and it seemed to help get on target quicker.

Im afraid i would relay on it though and it seems that is a legit fear if I don't have any self discipline.

Great answers to the original question. Thank you.
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Old November 27th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #9
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Get a good flash light and night sights!

A laser doesn't help you see in the dark. I prefer a flash light so you can stun and see who it is before you blast em!
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I've played around with them once or twice, and I've watched several shooters try to navigate night matches with them.

What I've seen happen with every single shooter, is that on recoil the laser jumps off the target, and instead of finding their front site, they look all over trying to find the laser, and it slows them down.

I do think they have some valid applications for shooting in unconventional positions, but for 99.9% of people they are just a tactical toy.

I do like weapon mounted lights, and at across the room distances, torso shots are pretty easy just by lighting up the target.

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What I've seen happen with every single shooter, is that on recoil the laser jumps off the target, and instead of finding their front site, they look all over trying to find the laser, and it slows them down.
This has been my experience as well. I am sure if you practiced enough you could eliminate this, but most casual shooters seem to practice reliance on lasers. I prefer fiber optics on my carry gun and a flashlight for my hd gun.
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Lasers work when teaching a new shooter or one with bad habits. While dry firing or target practicing it really helps identifying a flinch or stabbing the trigger. After that they are not really needed.
Now a green laser on a rifle works pretty well .
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I watched guys try them in the first couple pin top shoots at the club, you could see the dot all over the place. Reddot sights seem to be much faster.I haven't seen anybody try a laser in the matches lately.
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Well my Crimson Trace showed up today. I have no idea if I will like it but it seems pretty cool for quick aim home defense. It came from S&W as part of my warranty exchange on my pistol that blew the barrel out so no out of pocket expense.
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My crimson trace kimber "makes" you rely on the laser, very cheap sights.

I'll get a set of night sights to alleviate this problem.
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