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Old November 25th, 2013, 02:17 PM   #21
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I also bought a diesel. It is fun, I like having the quick loud truck sometimes but really that is just because I enjoy driving it. My truck will never be a "Bro Truck" and I do get some decent loads behind it, but I dont run around saying I tow 20,000#s everyday like most diesel douches.

I also wanted a CCSB truck and I couldnt get a true 6.5' bed on a gasser with a crew cab when I was in the market. Now that Chevy offers a true CCSB half ton I wouldnt hesitate to buy a brand new half ton with a 6.2 over a brand new Duramax. (even though the new duallys are sexy)
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If you have to ask get a gasser.
-owner of two diesels
This really says it. Either what you haul requires a diesel or not. I have had GM, Dodge and Ford 3/4 and 1 ton trucks (currently a F350 Ford and a Dodge Ram 3500) in both gas and diesel. My current Dodge is a gasser and works for what I use it for, lighter loads (lets say under 8-10k) and the F350 hauls all the heavy stuff.

I pull a 14k+ loaded toy hauler to MX races 18-20 weekends a year all over. I will not even consider a gasser for this job. My crew cab 6.0 F350 hauls this load extremely well, gets decent mileage when hauling and has proven very durable.

Really though, if you are asking you should probably go for a gasser. As you said, you can haul the boat either way and it will not be often enough to justify the added power of a diesel.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 08:03 PM   #23
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Since diesel light duty trucks came into the mainstream market in the 80's, the gap between diesel/gas fuel efficiency has continually narrowed. Gassers have become more efficient, and diesels have become less efficient. The reliability differences have also become closer. Gassers are very reliable for hundreds of thousands of miles like diesels are known for. Diesels have gone the other way, and have significant costs to go as far.

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Old November 25th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #24
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not to mention possible fuel gelling in extreme cold weather, availability of gas v diesel when you are driving in unknown territory, diesel emissions fluid, yada yada.

if you don't require the torque, do you really want to go into (for you) uncharted territory?
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This is the case with most new diesels. Not just the 6.0s. Everything post '03 is subject to reliability issues. There is rarely an owner who isn't entirely too familiar know the words CP3, high pressure pump, or injectors. There was a time that I hated on 6.0 Fords. Now they are near the top of the list IMO. A 7.3 is significantly more reliable, but doesn't fit the less than ten year old request of the OP, and are getting VERY hard to find clean ones.
I struggled with this debate for a year!! Finaly found a truck for me! 1 owner F250 with 7.3. 71k 100% stock. Paid about 2 grand more than the average 6.0 or duramax you see around, but it has half the miles. Picked her up about 3 hours ago. Time to put it to work!
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Old November 25th, 2013, 08:37 PM   #26
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I have nothing going on that my 6 cylinder stick shift 94 F150 can't handle.

A pickup truck is a tool. Unfortunately, so are many of the owners.
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I sold my obs power stroke, and bought SD v10.

My 7.3 dd'ing was high teens and towing was mid teens. My v10 dd'ing is 12 fish and towing 9ish.

I prefer the v10. Easier to fix, easier to maintain, way more convenient all around.

I see v10 trucks through my shop all the time with many having 250-300k plus mileage.

I would not buy a ford truck with anything other then the v10 or diesel after 03. But any of the big three you look at with gassers (used), pay attention to the exhaust manifolds and bolts. They all have issues here.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:40 PM   #28
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I went thru this last fall also, I looked at a ton of F150s with 5.4s for the $ I wanted to spend. What I finally found was an F250 with a 7.3 PSD. It had about 50K more miles on it, but I spent $4K less too. My commute has gotten considerably shorter since then, but I still would make the deal tomorrow. I like the idea of using my truck for whatever I want, when I want. I have towed a 32ft enclosed round trip to OKC, used my inlaws 5th wheel camper, hauled barrels of oil for my customers and lots of other stuff.
Bottom line is like this, do I need an F250 with a diesel for my commute and how much I tow? Prob not
Do I like the idea of being able to tow my bronco, gooseneck, buddies trucks if I want/need to? Heck yeah
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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:50 PM   #29
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I recently purchased my first diesel. A 2003 F250 6.0 PSD with 138k miles. I absolutely love the truck. Do I tow enough to "justify" a diesel? Probably not. But i think that's a stupid rationale. I love the power and the way it rides.

I have owned two 5.4 F150s, 5.4 F250, and V10 F350. All have their positives and negatives. Overall I prefer the quality of the diesel truck over the gas truck. I liked the gas trucks because I felt I could neglect them a little more as they were cheap, good work trucks.

My recommendation is for you to ask yourself if you are willing to put the time and money into caring for a diesel truck. Fuel is more expensive, injectors go bad, oil changes are more expensive and filters need to be changed more often.

If you want something that will "do the job" but you can beat on and race around town i think the Ford 3/4 and one tons are a great vehicle. Along with the Ram 2500 and Chevy 2500. I've beaten the piss out of a 5.4 F250 plowing snow and using it to tow.

Each company has raised the bar in both markets I believe within the last ten years. Test drive vehicles, think whether or not you can and want to commit the time and money, then make your decision.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 11:03 PM   #30
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ended up getting a 2014 ram 1500. after reading the post on hear and talking to a few friends a gasser sounded better... not by much tho... i still think the next purchase will be a diesel.

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Old November 25th, 2013, 11:33 PM   #31
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I just like that my truck is a 3/4 ton. Parts are bigger and last longer. I've worked on light duty diesel trucks for awhile now and own a 94 dodge with a diesel. Just remember regardless of gas or diesel, 3/4 ton truck will cost more to maintain than 1/2 ton trucks. If I bought diesel tomorrow it would be another mid 90's dodge. If I bought a gas truck it would be an early 2000's chevy. Just remember you do generally get what you pay for, but if you do plan on getting a diesel spend the money to get a well taken care of truck. It'll be worth it in the end. Also don't expect the $4000 clapped out diesel cl special to be a problem free truck.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 12:31 PM   #32
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I'm not sure why, but eveytime I see this thread title, this line runs through my head.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 06:01 PM   #33
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My little 2012 F-150 CCSB 3.5 liter V6 Ecoboost pulls just fine and gets better than 20mpg empty. Gets anywhere between 10.7-12.5 pulling my 2500# trailer with my around 5000# jeep on it. It actually feels more stable than the 2001 7.3 or 2006 6.0 and doesn't downshift near as much to maintain speed. I have pulled the same load with all 3 trucks on exactly the same roads and honestly the Ecoboost doesn't seem to work as hard . the 6.0 would down shift into 3rd going up the same hill my Ecoboost shifted from 5th to 6th going up running 1,000rpm at 45mph. The F-150 is a FX4 so it has 3.73 gearing as do both the diesels. I couldn't be happier with it for now time will tell about how it will last pulling this load quite often but over 7,000 miles of the 25,000 miles on the truck are pulling this load.

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ID:	112460 Here are actual fuel mpg's, these are average numbers but as you can see in both pics at the time of the pictures it was getting over 30mpg in one pic and almost 30mpg in the other. I almost bought a Ram 1500 with the 5.7 hemi but I am now glad I didn't as a few guys my son works with bought them and they all are seeing around 10-12mpg unloaded 8 or less mpg with light loads. He has rode with 4 guys who all bought 2012 Rams and they are all getting the same mpg. My son's friend bought a used Chevy 1/2 ton with the 5.3 and it is nowhere as efficient or powerful as my Ecoboost. He wishes he would have gotten an Ecoboost since he has ridden in mine so much while I was towing.

I almost passed up this little 365hp 420 lbft. of torque engine myself as I have always had big blocks or diesels but this little sucker just plain pulls like crazy. By the way dyno testing actually puts this engine at around 384hp and 436 lbft. of torque. I have even pulled over 10,500 pounds with it and it didn't seem to handle it any differently than the usual 7,500 # load. Am I happy with it I think you can tell so far anyway.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 08:23 PM   #34
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I'm not surprised you like that ecoboost. Heck even my 5.3 that has the 6 speed behind it feels real solid powerwise compared to my 7.3, but it shifts a bit more often.

The suspension on the other hand feels limited MUCH more quickly than the 1 ton. No surprise there though.
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I'm not surprised you like that ecoboost. Heck even my 5.3 that has the 6 speed behind it feels real solid powerwise compared to my 7.3, but it shifts a bit more often.

The suspension on the other hand feels limited MUCH more quickly than the 1 ton. No surprise there though.

I guess that is part of the surprise for me is that the suspension seems to barely notice the weight . I was pulling my Jeep on the trailer one day at Bundy Hill when it lifted the back of the 2001 F-250 7.3l CCSB right off the ground. It also stretches the 2006 6.0 F-250 SCSB quite far but not off the ground. The 2012 F-150 has kept it's tires on the ground even when I pulled the 2001 SD on the trailer one time when I had to pick up my son cause he blew a brake line. That load being over 10,500 # barely squatted the rear of the F-150. Also doesn't seem to move up and down as much on these crappy Michigan roads pulling the loads and is definitely more stable side to side as far as felt sway. That I attribute to the 20" rims compared to the 16' and 17" rims the other trucks have being less side wall to flex. It was knocking down 11.2mpg pulling the big ole diesel on the trailer. Only time it drops below 11mpg is when going over 70 mph while hitting a head wind.
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Old November 27th, 2013, 06:13 AM   #36
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My comments are less techy than most of the above. I've had several GM trucks, all gas. My 00 5.3 1/2 T didn't pull my jeep very well, always downshifting. 04 3/4 T 6.0 pulled better but rode rough. 07 1/2 T 6.0 pulled good, rode better. I currently have a 11 1/2 T 6.2 and it gets the job done and rides great.

My consideration on the 1/2 T versus 3/4 T is that it is 90+ % a dd. I drive close to 30K per year and want my comfort on long drives. I'm not putting anything in the bed, so I don't need payload capacity, but rather pulling capacity. The bulk if the time we pull the jeep it is with the motorhome, so the truck is used for local wheeling trips and the few winter trips where we don't use the motorhome.

My only comparison to diesel is that I have basically the exact same truck as jeepm715 except he has the Duramax. 2 trips with his truck out to KOH pulling a 36ft gooseneck with 3 rigs on it gets almost the exact same performance as my truck gets pulling an 18' flatbed with a single rig on it, 8 or so mpg loaded.

Bottom line for me, I can't justify the extra cost of the diesel.
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Depends if you want to roll coal and sound like a school bus and your tow mirrors flipped out

Or just want to hear a V8, and still get pretty good fuel mileage with these newer gas trucks
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My little 2012 F-150 CCSB 3.5 liter V6 Ecoboost pulls just fine and gets better than 20mpg empty. Gets anywhere between 10.7-12.5 pulling my 2500# trailer with my around 5000# jeep on it. It actually feels more stable than the 2001 7.3 or 2006 6.0 and doesn't downshift near as much to maintain speed. I have pulled the same load with all 3 trucks on exactly the same roads and honestly the Ecoboost doesn't seem to work as hard . the 6.0 would down shift into 3rd going up the same hill my Ecoboost shifted from 5th to 6th going up running 1,000rpm at 45mph. The F-150 is a FX4 so it has 3.73 gearing as do both the diesels. I couldn't be happier with it for now time will tell about how it will last pulling this load quite often but over 7,000 miles of the 25,000 miles on the truck are pulling this load.

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Attachment 112460 Here are actual fuel mpg's, these are average numbers but as you can see in both pics at the time of the pictures it was getting over 30mpg in one pic and almost 30mpg in the other. I almost bought a Ram 1500 with the 5.7 hemi but I am now glad I didn't as a few guys my son works with bought them and they all are seeing around 10-12mpg unloaded 8 or less mpg with light loads. He has rode with 4 guys who all bought 2012 Rams and they are all getting the same mpg. My son's friend bought a used Chevy 1/2 ton with the 5.3 and it is nowhere as efficient or powerful as my Ecoboost. He wishes he would have gotten an Ecoboost since he has ridden in mine so much while I was towing.

I almost passed up this little 365hp 420 lbft. of torque engine myself as I have always had big blocks or diesels but this little sucker just plain pulls like crazy. By the way dyno testing actually puts this engine at around 384hp and 436 lbft. of torque. I have even pulled over 10,500 pounds with it and it didn't seem to handle it any differently than the usual 7,500 # load. Am I happy with it I think you can tell so far anyway.

I'm curious.....have you towed anywhere with real hills? Coming through Tennessee last year i was passed by a ecoboost f150 towing a small travel trailer (i was in my 01 dodge cummins...235hp, 460lb/ft towing my Toyota/trailer....~7k)....he blew by me but as soon as we came to a bigger climb that truck seemed like it fell apart....every hill he would slow way down and i don't believe it was intentional...i could easily pull away which considering i was towing more and was giving up over 100hp and only had slightly more torque seemed odd

Not trying to start shit, just legitimately curious if you have any experience with the ecoboost in tougher towing conditions

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I'm curious.....have you towed anywhere with real hills? Coming through Tennessee last year i was passed by a ecoboost f150 towing a small travel trailer (i was in my 01 dodge cummins...235hp, 460lb/ft towing my Toyota/trailer....~7k)....he blew by me but as soon as we came to a bigger climb that truck seemed like it fell apart....every hill he would slow way down and i don't believe it was international....i could easily pull away which considering i was towing more and was giving up over 100hp and only had slightly more torque seemed odd

Not trying to start shit, just legitimately curious if you have any experience with the ecoboost in tougher towing conditions
I wonder if he was running into the hills at speed to avoid downshifting ? I do this with my half ton gasser.
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I don't know.....he would slow very quickly on the climb.
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