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Old November 7th, 2013, 05:22 PM   #21
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Leave the bullshit out and fill in the rest. I'm not a fan of more than 2 but Kickstand does this for a living so listen to him.
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Old November 7th, 2013, 05:31 PM   #22
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I also say it depends on the information included and your level of experience. I don't want to read 50 bullets of responsibilities at one position. On the other hand I want a list of technical skills, certifications, and education. Once I review those and am interested I'll review the position details of any position relevant to the position I'm trying to fill.
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Old November 7th, 2013, 06:21 PM   #23
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I would also say it depends on the position you are applying for. I got really tired of handing people my resume and them handing me an application.
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Old November 7th, 2013, 06:22 PM   #24
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I like them short and to the point. If Iím reading a multiple page resume and get a sense of padding it really pisses me off. Not only is it wasting my time it makes it seem like the person is trying to make up for some deficit, or maybe they are a figjam who loves to toot their own horn.

The amount of mistakes on resumes amazes me. This is supposed to represent you and your abilities. If you canít even bother to have someone else proof read it to make sure there are no mistakes, what does that say about your ability and motivation to do quality work??

And donít forget to list a reasonable email address and sanitize your social media.
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Old November 7th, 2013, 06:45 PM   #25
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Always list highest education. If high school is all you got, list it. If you have a MS, BS and AS, list them all.

List all work experience after graduating high school/college. Drop the shit that isn't relevant (summer job delivering thai food)

After graduation list all jobs, months and years. If the details are not important to the job you are applying for leave it at that.

Use as many pages as needed. Try to keep it under 4 or 5, don't be afraid to use 2-3 pages.
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Old November 7th, 2013, 07:16 PM   #26
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I also feel it depends on the position. I have looked at 40 or 50 resumes in the last 2 years and none of them were one page, not a single one. The vast majority were 3. Not including the reference page or the certifications pages.
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Old November 8th, 2013, 06:24 AM   #27
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Whiterhino is right. You shouldn't need more than 2 pages in most cases. 5-6 bulletpoints per relevant/recent job. They should include responsibilities and significant accomplishments and tools used.

Name.
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personal/hobbies. (Optional)

Put education under objective if you are a recent grad.
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Old November 8th, 2013, 06:38 AM   #28
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I read the first page, skim the second and the 3rd is usually shit I don't care about anyway.
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Old November 8th, 2013, 06:58 AM   #29
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After graduation list all jobs, months and years.
I read an article several months back about age discrimination during hiring. The article recommended not stating "qualified...with xx years experience..." and to remove the dates from your experience section as these can indicate your age. In short, the article said you are much less likely to get a job if you have 15+ years of experience. I'm not sure I agree, but that is what they are saying these days.
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Old November 8th, 2013, 07:01 AM   #30
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So many contradictions everywhere...

Don't get me wrong. I value all of your opinions here (especially those who recently got a new job and those that do it for a living) but I have received the same contradictions through other sources that are also senior level management and HR professionals

The conclusion I have come to is that it's job specific and two pages is really the average maximum with a preference for a single page if possible.

It's also best to send my resume to experienced people who can critique it and offer ways to improve it.
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Old November 8th, 2013, 07:10 AM   #31
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So many contradictions everywhere...

Don't get me wrong. I value all of your opinions here (especially those who recently got a new job and those that do it for a living) but I have received the same contradictions through other sources that are also senior level management and HR professionals

The conclusion I have come to is that it's job specific and two pages is really the average maximum with a preference for a single page if possible.

It's also best to send my resume to experienced people who can critique it and offer ways to improve it.
And there you have it...
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Old November 8th, 2013, 07:17 AM   #32
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Yea, there is really no hard and fast rule like there used to be. When I started teaching, a resume was required along with a complete portfolio which was about 100 pages for me.

Now they only want to see the portfolio if you get the interview and they want it at least 5 days before the interview.
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Old November 8th, 2013, 07:20 AM   #33
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If it's a technical or skilled labor job, it can be hard to list applicable skills and make it fit on one page. List the work experience, training, education that applies. If someone is too lazy to look through your resume that's more than one page, you don't want to work for them.

I have taken the fluff out of my resume, such as personal interests and hobbies, it is still 2 pages.

When interviewing it helps to actually know what's on your resume and expect people to ask about it. I can't tell you how many times I've stumped people on simple questions about their own work experience. Also, bring extra copies of your resumes to the interview with you.

I'd skip the cover letter.
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Old November 8th, 2013, 07:32 AM   #34
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If it's a technical or skilled labor job, it can be hard to list applicable skills and make it fit on one page. List the work experience, training, education that applies. If someone is too lazy to look through your resume that's more than one page, you don't want to work for them.

I have taken the fluff out of my resume, such as personal interests and hobbies, it is still 2 pages.

When interviewing it helps to actually know what's on your resume and expect people to ask about it. I can't tell you how many times I've stumped people on simple questions about their own work experience. Also, bring extra copies of your resumes to the interview with you.

I'd skip the cover letter.
It's normally not being lazy on the 2nd page, it's that you're reading lawn care experience from 15 yrs or more ago and it's not relevant. Basically if it was long enough ago, I list the company and job title only. My resume shows career progression by title that is normal for the business that I'm in so I don't have to list what I did as a design engineer in 2004 anymore, just that I was a design engineer at XXX company for a duration of time. You're resume may be 2 pages but without knowing where you work () I would read through your resume and say hey, this guy has ran various cnc equipment in the past and has taken training to further his career.......but I could do that by reading a 1 page resume with the same info formatted differently as well. (Let me know when you want to move north )
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Old November 8th, 2013, 07:37 AM   #35
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I read an article several months back about age discrimination during hiring. The article recommended not stating "qualified...with xx years experience..." and to remove the dates from your experience section as these can indicate your age. In short, the article said you are much less likely to get a job if you have 15+ years of experience. I'm not sure I agree, but that is what they are saying these days.
You can do that. It may get you the interview, but if the manager is specifically looking for a less experienced candidate who will be challenged by the position vs an experienced candidate who may get bored you still aren't going to get the job, so what's the difference?
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Old November 8th, 2013, 07:39 AM   #36
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For the record I don't have that I worked at McDonalds and KFC before joining the military on my resume. Means nothing to my IT career. Or management career.

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For the record I don't have that I worked at McDonalds and KFC before joining the military on my resume. Means nothing to my IT career. Or management career.

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I left out those menial high school jobs before I joined the Army as well. They just aren't relevant.
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Old November 8th, 2013, 07:44 AM   #38
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For the record I don't have that I worked at McDonalds and KFC before joining the military on my resume. Means nothing to my IT career. Or management career.

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I do have a recent grad, who worked at McDonalds while in high school/college. Worked another "non related" summer job 1 year in college and then worked an internship his senior year. His resume is laid out well.

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The only job showing any bullet points is the internship that is related to what he wants to do.

He got an interview.
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next question. cover letters? yes or no. and if yes what to put on them.
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Any of the professionals on here have a free minute or two to critique my resume?
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