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Old November 3rd, 2013, 06:51 PM   #21
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I should add that that couple grand included going from a 2'' jet siphon well, to a 44 foot, 4'' well with a replaceable pump/point, and a new pressure tank
I forgot you just did a well, call me when you get time.

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Open up the cap on the well there is usually splice there there that I have saw fail. Burried tanks suck we only used them on modulars or trailers where we couldn't atank underneath. If you have a friend who's an electrician the may be able to megger test the motor for you also.
This definitely is not a modular. It is a pretty nice ranch that was built in '74 and very well maintained. I knew the owners, but I have not called them out on it as I want to wait until I know what I am dealing with.

I think the tank was put in the yard because they planned to finish the basement and it didn't take up any additional room.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 10:09 PM   #22
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Well according to the county paperwork he supposedly checked for functionality.

Tomorrow it looks like I am getting a new pressure tank, well head, and pump at the least.

They tried to pull the well today and it was lifting the front of their well truck up because it is a steel casing and the pump has rusted itself to the casing. I may be in for much more

He broke his rig trying to pull it out, and they are excavating it tomorrow.

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That Sucks ! Good luck, I hope all goes well, no pun intended.
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Jeez, that sounds like it could get expensive. Best of luck to you.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 10:26 PM   #25
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Well if anyone was curious what an in ground tank looks like...



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Did they find the problem? What was the cost?
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Well if anyone was curious what an in ground tank looks like...
Thanks for posting up the pictures. Was that funky tank setup what was blocking the pump from coming out?
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Old November 6th, 2013, 07:58 AM   #29
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Did they find the problem? What was the cost?

Quote was 2k, but they were working with me at that price. They believe the pump was failing, as no leaks were found between the house and the well. It was plumbed with iron pipe though, and he said the condition was such that he felt within 2 years I would have been digging it up for that too.



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Thanks for posting up the pictures. Was that funky tank setup what was blocking the pump from coming out?
Sure was. Apparently the O-rings in the bottom of the tank are known to seize up if the pump is not pulled for a few years. When this happens your fucked.

When I said I had an in ground tank I think they initially thought it was a direct burial modern style tank like what was posted earlier off to the side of the well head. The more they got into it they realized it was this piece of shit. He said these 'Whitewater' tanks were used a lot in the 70's. He could not imagine why they replaced it with the same style in the 90's.

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I had no idea that tanks could be put in ground. Why the hell would anybody want to do that? The tanks are not that big to begin with, but space is the only thing I could figure.
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I had no idea that tanks could be put in ground. Why the hell would anybody want to do that? The tanks are not that big to begin with, but space is the only thing I could figure.
The basement was set up to be finished when it was built. I think it was to save space and only that. The only other option was they wanted a really nice lawn roller after 20 years.

This tank was much larger than any interior tank I have seen.
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Ours is a in-well pump (below ground). Not sure if yours is the same.
When ours did this...
The pump is going bad or there's a leak somewhere between the pump and the house. Our well had the fitting off the well case corrode and leak. Ground was saturated from the pump constantly running and pumping water "around" the well and low pressure in the house lines. The well guys dug down to the line and replaced the fitting.

Later on the pump failed (few years). Low pressure, erratic behavior, no water.
Then the well guys pulled the old pump/pipe and put a new pump in.
This is the exact same chain of events I went through two years ago.
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I had no idea that tanks could be put in ground. Why the hell would anybody want to do that? The tanks are not that big to begin with, but space is the only thing I could figure.
This one takes the cake. http://www.whitewatermfg.net/pitless...e_11-15-08.pdf Look at page 4 for a cut away view of that contraption. And it probably cost several times more than a standard tank.


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Just one of its prime features is ease of serviceability. If your submersible pump, or any part of your installation, ever needs service, you’ll find it so much easier when you have a Whitewater Tank. For example, you’ll never have to “dig up” your installation for pump or motor repair, air bleeder replacement, or well screen cleaning.
Um, rrrright. jeepfreak81 should send them his pictures…
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Are you going to have the point in your well checked/replaced since you have it all dug up? It would suck to go to replace your point that's clogged up with calcification in 4 years, just to go unscrew it and be back in same boat when you find out it's rusted in place.
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Old November 7th, 2013, 12:00 PM   #35
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Are you going to have the point in your well checked/replaced since you have it all dug up? It would suck to go to replace your point that's clogged up with calcification in 4 years, just to go unscrew it and be back in same boat when you find out it's rusted in place.
Where were you on Tuesday morning when they fixed it

Point should be fine, they didn't check it but considering not one of my family members that live on the immediate land around me has ever had to clean their point I will risk it I guess. My parents have been there 21 years and my aunt and uncle over 40 and my other aunt and uncle 21 as well.

It shouldn't rust in place now, they got that ghetto ass Whitewater tank out of there. I have a proper in the basement tank now, and PVC drop pipe and plumbing and the pump is stainless. The PEX they use on the tank kind of looks ghetto though.

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Since we are on the subject of wells, anyone have advice on my situation?

Every once in a while the well stops pumping. You can flip the breaker and then back on, and it will then start pumping again. I'm not sure if the pump stops, or it stops hitting water...

Once the water stops flowing, the PSI guage under the sink reads 'zero' until the power is restored. sometimes you have to wait several minutes, and then flip the power on before the guage shows any action. The bladder is fairly new, I just don't know the actual age. It is shiny blue, and under the house in the crawl-space.

Anyone got any ideas?
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I have nothing to add to this. but its a good read and I learned something. thanks for sharing your headache jeapfreak81
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Since we are on the subject of wells, anyone have advice on my situation?

Every once in a while the well stops pumping. You can flip the breaker and then back on, and it will then start pumping again. I'm not sure if the pump stops, or it stops hitting water...

Once the water stops flowing, the PSI guage under the sink reads 'zero' until the power is restored. sometimes you have to wait several minutes, and then flip the power on before the guage shows any action. The bladder is fairly new, I just don't know the actual age. It is shiny blue, and under the house in the crawl-space.

Anyone got any ideas?
Might need a new pump but more tests are needed.
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Since we are on the subject of wells, anyone have advice on my situation?

Every once in a while the well stops pumping. You can flip the breaker and then back on, and it will then start pumping again. I'm not sure if the pump stops, or it stops hitting water...

Once the water stops flowing, the PSI guage under the sink reads 'zero' until the power is restored. sometimes you have to wait several minutes, and then flip the power on before the guage shows any action. The bladder is fairly new, I just don't know the actual age. It is shiny blue, and under the house in the crawl-space.

Anyone got any ideas?


Does the breaker trip? Mine did the same thing but the breaker would trip. Turned out to be the wire going down the well to the pump had a nick in it, and would short out against the steel of my well.
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Does the breaker trip? Mine did the same thing but the breaker would trip. Turned out to be the wire going down the well to the pump had a nick in it, and would short out against the steel of my well.
Nope, breaker doesn't trip, just stops pumping.
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