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Old November 3rd, 2013, 08:20 PM   #21
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Not knowing this situation just in general. I don't have any sympathy for felons, a felony isn't an accident.
I never heard what his crime was.

But the point isn't so much about having sympathy for him as just making it possible for him to be a productive member of society after getting out of prison rather than going back it crime and being a burden on society.
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I think a lot of people are more concerned with punishing people and don't care if they are rehabilitated. If we spend time and money rehabbing people, that might not be enough of a punishment in their eyes.

I guess what im saying is that if we could use prison to make people better so they aren't going back to crime, that would be a good thing.
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Old November 3rd, 2013, 10:25 PM   #23
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Old November 3rd, 2013, 10:31 PM   #24
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Also, the prison system is borked. Look at all of the private prisons popping up. Does it seem like a good idea to have companies profiting from people being imprisoned? Is it a good idea for the prisons having an incentive to have repeat offenders?
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Old November 3rd, 2013, 11:52 PM   #25
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I think a lot of people are more concerned with punishing people and don't care if they are rehabilitated. If we spend time and money rehabbing people, that might not be enough of a punishment in their eyes.

I guess what im saying is that if we could use prison to make people better so they aren't going back to crime, that would be a good thing.
The purpose of the criminal justice system is to reduce crime. The one thought is to make prison such a horrible place to be that it serve as a deterrent to anyone thinking about committing a crime. The other is to try to rehabilitate those that end up there so that they can become productive members of society when they get out.

I think it should be some of both, depending on the circumstance.
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Yes that is a problem.

We may be thinking about the same person. Was contract where I'm at, quit, tried to come back later and go direct but couldn't because of a felony conviction.
I was not thinking of any specific person. But now that you have brought it up I think I remember something like that happening to a candidate a 2-3 years back.

I see it happen somewhat often (1-2 times per year).

I also speak to a fair amount of people who are ineligible for employment in certain situations and I never even get to the point of submitting their resume when I talk to them and they make me aware of the problem.

I think this is something that a lot of people don't realize. It's not just the prison sentence, but the difficulty in becoming a normal person again after the incident.
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The purpose of the criminal justice system is to reduce crime. The one thought is to make prison such a horrible place to be that it serve as a deterrent to anyone thinking about committing a crime. The other is to try to rehabilitate those that end up there so that they can become productive members of society when they get out.

I think it should be some of both, depending on the circumstance.
it seems there should be some way to sort of do both. give them a basic cell, very basic meals, and some type of education, but outside of that, they should get nothing, or next to nothing. Make it hard, so they will not want to come back. Maybe then they would want the education to help keep them from having to come back. I have met a few guys that have tried to use what they learned in jail to better themselves. I know a couple who started small businesses with what they learned, couple others who were lucky enough to find someone to hire them to do what they learned while in. Seems this doesn't happen all that often though.

I do agree that I would not want an ex-con doing work in my home, but do you really know if this is the case when you hire a contractor? how do you know who is on their team/payroll ? Plus jobs that would have ex-cons working in your home are not the only things they can get trained for.

I also think there should be some way to have inmates either working on things out in the community (roads, landscaping...) or somehow working in the prison to help offset what it costs us taxpayers to put them away.

Like others, I'm not really sure what exactly the answer is, but it seems there should be better ways then our present system.
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A guy I know used to own a power sports repair shop. After he closed down, he was keeping all of his tools at his parent's business. They employed a few ex-cons, and a lot of his tools went missing.
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It's not just rehabilitation on the inside, but the outside also. I know someone who served their sentence and then was placed in a halfway house at 6 mile & Dequindre. He was not allowed a car, drivers license or cell phone and told to go get a job. Where can you find a decent job in that area? For the next 4-6 months, family members drove all the way in from the suburbs to pick him up in the morning to take him to work in the suburbs and then drove him back each night. Without the family support, he would have failed & not everyone has family that can help that much.
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A guy I know used to own a power sports repair shop. After he closed down, he was keeping all of his tools at his parent's business. They employed a few ex-cons, and a lot of his tools went missing.
Wow, his owe parents used/misplaced/sold off his tools? That sucks.
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Wow, his owe parents used/misplaced/sold off his tools? That sucks.
No, their employees stole them.
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It's not just rehabilitation on the inside, but the outside also. I know someone who served their sentence and then was placed in a halfway house at 6 mile & Dequindre. He was not allowed a car, drivers license or cell phone and told to go get a job. Where can you find a decent job in that area? For the next 4-6 months, family members drove all the way in from the suburbs to pick him up in the morning to take him to work in the suburbs and then drove him back each night. Without the family support, he would have failed & not everyone has family that can help that much.
Why did he not use the bus system? I have never used it myself but it should be an option. Good for him his family helped him out, I know mine would if I was in that situation.
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