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Old October 29th, 2013, 12:32 AM   #1
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I own a 31' jayco jay flight trailer ,bunkhouse , two slides. It lists the "wet weight" 7200 pds.
Ok here is where i need advice...i need a tow vehicle. I looked around and found a beutiful 2003 ford Expedition , Eddie Bauer additio, 5.4 Triton 4x4. This is a low mile loaded vehicle for a very good price. We need the seating ,and this has the third row.
Now for the million dollar question,..will this SSAFETY haul that trailer???. From what i can find the the Expedition is rated any where from 7600-8200 pds.
I was told i could haul it with a 1/2 ton truck. My issue is i need the extra seating so i would need a crew cab or suburban. Both a lot more money and neither anywhere as nice as this eextremely nice Expedition.
So any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
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Old October 29th, 2013, 01:05 AM   #2
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The expedition is a big boy. Trailer brakes are your friend.
http://www.etrailer.com/faq-weightdistribution.aspx

http://www.ford-trucks.com/specs/200...edition_1.html

Towing
Maximum towing capacity: 8,900 pounds weight distributing capacity, 6,000 pounds weight carrying capacity utilizing built-in Class IV receiver hitch*
Maximum hitch weight: 880 pounds (800 pounds for 4x4)
Trailer wiring: Built-in 4-pin and 7-pin harness Heavy-duty flashers Hitch integrated with rear fascia Heavy duty class IV receiver
Other: Transmission cooler
*Class III weight carrying hitch receiver accommodates trailers to 5,000 pounds.
Class IV applications for trailers to 8,900 pounds require aftermarket weight distributing equipment.
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It might do it with the proper hitch, but I don't think I would want to. That's a big trailer.
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Once you put your stuff in the trailer figure it to atleast weigh 8500. You will exceed the gvwr of that expedition no problem.

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Remember to add for those people you are putting in those 2nd and 3rd row seats. I wouldnt do it.
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By the way, "pounds" is abbreviated either by the # symbol or lbs.

As far as the tow vehicle, you are pushing it and definitely need a weight distributing hitch. What did you haul the trailer with when you first bought it? What drivetrain? How did it tow? Would you want anything less or more?
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Do you have experience towing? I wouldn't think twice about using an Expedition equiped with a brake controller, weight distributing hitch and proper tires (prefer a D/E rated LT tire) to pull that trailer. But I have thousands and thousands of miles with towing experience.

Have you considered an Excursion?
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Do you have experience towing? I wouldn't think twice about using an Expedition equiped with a brake controller, weight distributing hitch and proper tires (prefer a D/E rated LT tire) to pull that trailer. But I have thousands and thousands of miles with towing experience.

Have you considered an Excursion?
I'm confused since he already owns the trailer. That's why I was asking the questions about previous experience. Set up right he should be fine but will be maxing his limit. (i think)
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Once you put your stuff in the trailer figure it to atleast weigh 8500. You will exceed the gvwr of that expedition no problem.
GVWR has nothing to do with a trailer, except for the tongue weight.

Depending on what engine the Expedition has, he can tow up to 8,900 lbs with it.

8900-7200=1700lbs for fluids, gas, trailer necessities (sheets, towels, pans, glassware, etc.) and any luggage.
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Buy a diesel Excursion.
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Also how often and far are you planning on towing it, if you're going to be touring the country you need to get a diesel.
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By the way, "pounds" is abbreviated either by the # symbol or lbs.

As far as the tow vehicle, you are pushing it and definitely need a weight distributing hitch. What did you haul the trailer with when you first bought it? What drivetrain? How did it tow? Would you want anything less or more?
Yeah, sorry i posted this late so i meant # or lbs.
We just bought the trailer as we decided that first thing was to find the trailer that we wanted. So now I have until camping season to find a vehicle that will have the seating for 4-6 . Mostly it will be 3-5 ( 2 adults plus our 8 yr old and a friend or 2-3)
Yes i have hauled trailers and used to pull our old 27' all over Mich with a 1/2 ton ext cab..with 6 of us.
I am just looking at $10k or less just to get us until the followin . Summer when we can buy a much more expensive tow vehicle , i have been looking and seen a few vehicles but this expedition is extremel clean and i can buy it cheap from a good friend ( they neber towed with it)
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Buy a diesel pickup truck and do not look back. If money is tight buy a 2wd. they can be had pretty cheap.

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Yeah, sorry i posted this late so i meant # or lbs.
We just bought the trailer as we decided that first thing was to find the trailer that we wanted. So now I have until camping season to find a vehicle that will have the seating for 4-6 . Mostly it will be 3-5 ( 2 adults plus our 8 yr old and a friend or 2-3)
Yes i have hauled trailers and used to pull our old 27' all over Mich with a 1/2 ton ext cab..with 6 of us.
I am just looking at $10k or less just to get us until the followin . Summer when we can buy a much more expensive tow vehicle , i have been looking and seen a few vehicles but this expedition is extremel clean and i can buy it cheap from a good friend ( they neber towed with it)
I think the Expedition will work okay for you with weight distribution hitch and a good brake controller.

If it were me with a $10k budget for something to tow the trailer and up to 6 people I would be looking for a 3/4 ton suburban or an expedition. I would be looking for either equipped with the 8.1 or v10 to not be a dog. Unless you are towing very often I don't think a diesel would be worth it.
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You always end up putting more stuff in a trailer since you have the room so it will probably get close to the GVWR. What is the GVWR of the trailer? This is the number you should be looking at for a tow weight because odds are, you will get close to it. You could take it to a scale to weigh it (empty and loaded) to get a better idea. If you plan on camping off the beaten path where there is no water source, don't forget to add in the weight of the fresh water in your tank.

As far as the Expedition, do not forget to add in all the people and anything they might bring in the vehicle as well as a full tank of gas. You will need a weight distribution hitch and it may be a good idea to get one with integrated sway like the Equalizer. This will make a big difference. Personally, I would not want to tow your trailer with an Expedition, it is a short wheelbase vehicle with a long heavy trailer and would be around it's maximum capacity. You will also want to look up what you Expeditions GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) is. This is the tow vehicle weight with everything in it that you would be hauling AND your trailer loaded for a typical trip.

We have had a number of trailers and tow vehicles and our current setup is great. We have a 2011 Chevrolet Express 3500 van with a 6.0L and a 12,000lb Equalizer Hitch towing an Outback 301BQ. We are under our GCWR and have plenty of power and nice ride and handling.

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i think I am going to step out on a limb and say a diesel is not required. This doesn't sound like a retirement "I'm gunna pull this sum-beach all over the place" type post. Diesel fuel is expensive, and will never be cheaper than gasoline ever again due to refinery changes. Diesels cost more to maintain, and cost more to initially purchase. You don't need a diesel to pull 8K lbs.
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I sold my obs powerstroke and bought a SD v10 because of the above reasons.
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It all depends on where he wants to go with the trailer... We could spin in circles all day with a gas verse diesel debate... lol

In the end of the day I would strongly suggest a 3/4 to 1 ton tow rig for that trailer. I have a Dodge 3500 and I pull a 31' Keystone Bunkhouse. I had to upgrade the truck with an aftermarket rear swaybar and rear Timbren load supports to get it to pull the way I wanted it to. The rear sway bar helped with the trailer not pulling to the side everytime a semi was next to me and the Timbrens helped the rear of the truck from bouncing everytime we hit a bump in the road.
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i think I am going to step out on a limb and say a diesel is not required. This doesn't sound like a retirement "I'm gunna pull this sum-beach all over the place" type post. Diesel fuel is expensive, and will never be cheaper than gasoline ever again due to refinery changes. Diesels cost more to maintain, and cost more to initially purchase. You don't need a diesel to pull 8K lbs.
this ! another vote for the 3/4 ton gas flavor..
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