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Old October 15th, 2013, 07:44 PM   #1
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Home electrical?

Hey guys, if the room in our house has all half switched outlets and I want to have them all be powered all the time, is it as simple as just replacing the outlets so the broken tab is whole again? Also I want to wire a ceiling light off the same switch, so it seems I should be able to isolate the power from the switched outlets and just run power from the switch to the new light, thus eliminating the outlets from this switch entirely? Hopefully that is somewhat coherent.

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Old October 15th, 2013, 07:55 PM   #2
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Old October 15th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #3
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Old October 16th, 2013, 06:47 AM   #4
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Hey guys, if the room in our house has all half switched outlets and I want to have them all be powered all the time, is it as simple as just replacing the outlets so the broken tab is whole again?

Assuming half the outlet is always powered then yes, you can also just install a jumper wire instead of replacing the outlets.

Also I want to wire a ceiling light off the same switch, so it seems I should be able to isolate the power from the switched outlets and just run power from the switch to the new light, thus eliminating the outlets from this switch entirely? Hopefully that is somewhat coherent.

Pull the switch out and see what is stuffed in the box, should be power, common and ground coming in and switched power, power, common and ground going out.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 12:51 PM   #5
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That is exactly what I have muttly. Didn't think about a jumper! Thank you.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 08:12 AM   #6
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Ok, so I have a black,white, and red, with a ground at every outlet. Haven't seen that before. So do i just hook it up the same way it is and just not break the tab, or should I cap off the red?

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Old October 17th, 2013, 08:19 AM   #7
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Ok, so I have a black,white, and red, with a ground at every outlet. Haven't seen that before. So do i just hook it up the same way it is and just not break the tab, or should I cap off the red?

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You are either dealing with switched plugs, or dealing with two separate circuits ran in one romex. If this is the case, and the panel is not phased properly, you can end up with both circuits doubling the amperage of the neutral opposed to cancelling each other out, which could put twice the amp rating of the breaker on the neutral which would kill you and your whole family in a giant fire as you sleep at night.

DO NOT HOOK THE RED AND BLACK TOGETHER WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE THEY GO.

chances are the red is 120v return switched power, and black is constant. Hook a VOM measuring AC V on the red, flip the switch. if it turns off and on, it is the switched power. Cap the red.

how it probably works:

1. circuit breaker outputs on black wire to your box.
2. black wire is not switched. It feeds half of the plugs in the room, and powers up the switch
3. red wire goes from the switch to the plug box. this is "switched power"
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Old October 17th, 2013, 08:52 AM   #8
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Ok, checked power with my wiggy and the black has constant and the red is off the switch. I will just cap the red. Thanks!
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Ok, checked power with my wiggy and the black has constant and the red is off the switch. I will just cap the red. Thanks!
first time I've heard someone who is not an electrician using the term wiggy.
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first time I've heard someone who is not an electrician using the term wiggy.
I am not totally without skills, just somewhat confused mostly.
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