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Old October 10th, 2013, 11:01 AM   #21
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ahh they suck and are expensive. and usually only 1 type of blade works. and 16" is short do they make a 16OE that short you can buy at the store?
That is just it. The 24" of the exact same brand has the adapter bracket, but not for the 16". WHY???!!!! I can use that same bracket and make the 16" fit and work.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 11:05 AM   #22
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Probably designed because lazy factory workers complained it was too hard, or were screwing up too many cars in the plant.
When we design an assembly line tool we have to do everything we can to make sure they can't screw it up or find some stupid way to hurt themselves.

Why don't the wiper blades last more than a year or two anymore?
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Old October 10th, 2013, 11:10 AM   #23
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When we design an assembly line tool we have to do everything we can to make sure they can't screw it up or find some stupid way to hurt themselves.

Why don't the wiper blades last more than a year or two anymore?
When did they ever last that long?
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When we design an assembly line tool we have to do everything we can to make sure they can't screw it up or find some stupid way to hurt themselves.

Why don't the wiper blades last more than a year or two anymore?
It just seems like so often, especially around here, something in the world changes, and people start to whine. It seems not many people have the ability and perpective to see things from many other viewpoints. They are just one of many many many stakeholders, and a product is designed to be the best for as many of those key stakeholders as possible.

I think Immortal had some bad kimchee. (Athough, how would anyone know it was bad? Would it suddenly not stink?)
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It just seems like so often, especially around here, something in the world changes, and people start to whine. It seems not many people have the ability and perpective to see things from many other viewpoints. They are just one of many many many stakeholders, and a product is designed to be the best for as many of those key stakeholders as possible.

I think Immortal had some bad kimchee. (Athough, how would anyone know it was bad? Would it suddenly not stink?)
KISS. How many more ways do we really need to fasten a wiper blade to a wiper arm? Wouldn't a simple common method be cheaper over-all to manufacture something as simple as a wiper blade arm attachment?

Think about the wiper blades themselves. In the packaging there are at least 3 different brackets for attachment!
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Old October 10th, 2013, 11:33 AM   #26
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KISS. How many more ways do we really need to fasten a wiper blade to a wiper arm? Wouldn't a simple common method be cheaper over-all to manufacture something as simple as a wiper blade arm attachment?!
And yet, a profit driven company chose to do it that way.

Hmm, you should run down there and show them the error of their ways, I'm sure they'll see the light and hire you as a consultant. I'm sure you are the first person to ever have these thoughts and opinions on the design.
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Think about the wiper blades themselves. In the packaging there are at least 3 different brackets for attachment!
Next you are going to suggest we all speak the same language, switch to the metric system, and get all OEMs to use the same data networks on their cars!

You so crazy.
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KISS. How many more ways do we really need to fasten a wiper blade to a wiper arm? Wouldn't a simple common method be cheaper over-all to manufacture something as simple as a wiper blade arm attachment?

Think about the wiper blades themselves. In the packaging there are at least 3 different brackets for attachment!
Are you trying to put me out of work? How an I going to justify my pay unless things are complicated.
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When we design an assembly line tool we have to do everything we can to make sure they can't screw it up or find some stupid way to hurt themselves.

Why don't the wiper blades last more than a year or two anymore?
And WTF do they only take a shit in the center of the blade, on the driver side. Sit up see good, slouch down see good, sit comfortably all I see is a haze.
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And yet, a profit driven company chose to do it that way.

Hmm, you should run down there and show them the error of their ways, I'm sure they'll see the light and hire you as a consultant. I'm sure you are the first person to ever have these thoughts and opinions on the design.
I'm sure I am not the first. I just don't see the point in over complicating something that should be simple and at the very least universal to a domestic segment.
The only other way to improve wiper technology would be to eliminate them all together with a windshield so slick it doesn't need wiping
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I'm sure I am not the first. I just don't see the point in over complicating something that should be simple and at the very least universal to a domestic segment.
The only other way to improve wiper technology would be to eliminate them all together with a windshield so slick it doesn't need wiping
Ford Fiesta... domestic segment..... hhahahaha, you're killing me.

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Plus, they moved most of the other ford cars to the same type, to make it more universal!

But honestly, there are so many different OEMs, and so many worldwide locations for each, so many local laws, etc, nothing will ever be standard.
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Ford Fiesta... domestic segmnet..... hhahahaha, you're killing me.
Fine then, it should be global!
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I'm sure I am not the first. I just don't see the point in over complicating something that should be simple and at the very least universal to a domestic segment.
The only other way to improve wiper technology would be to eliminate them all together with a windshield so slick it doesn't need wiping
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Fine then, it should be global!
And thats where you run into things like this. Fiesta & Focus are true global platform, sold all over the world, most primary lead out of Ford of Europe, heavy influence out of Ford Brazil, etc. Maybe there's a specific requirement or test that the old wiper clip didn't pass. Now maybe you design a mustang and target it for NAFTA region and the validation requirements are different and you can get away with the cheaper clip, so you use that one. They are concerned with saving money on the NAFAT vehicle and not whether the guy doesn't check if the wiper refill he bought has the right adapter in it.

The average car buyer, even the average car enthusiast is completely clueless in what goes into this stuff. Companies rarely do something for no good reason.
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The average car buyer, even the average car enthusiast is completely clueless in what goes into this stuff. Companies rarely do something for no good reason.
Rarely, but man do I have plenty of examples.
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Rarely, but man do I have plenty of examples.
I'd like to see an example where a company sat down and said 'let's redesign this part just to make it more complicated and expensive'.

There are times when the end result doesn't meet the expectations, or the design was made more expensive to mitigate a risk that never materialized. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a valid decision at the time.
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I'd like to see an example where a company sat down and said 'let's redesign this part just to make it more complicated and expensive'.

There are times when the end result doesn't meet the expectations, or the design was made more expensive to mitigate a risk that never materialized. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a valid decision at the time.
GM seems to make a good habit of that, but it's not necessarily in the way you worded it. I can point out a few examples of a very solid and beneficial (quality, longevity and cost) cost reduction being shot down for unknown reasons. Sometimes the DRE just likes to protect his baby no matter what the cost.

Your latter excuse seems to occur from engineers who have no actual hands on knowledge of vehicles. I know you aren't one of those people, but there are a lot of engineers out there who couldn't change a flat or change their own oil. They are the ones that cling to validation tests (that may be well written or not) and if it passes it's the best part since windshield wipers.
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