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Old September 30th, 2013, 01:24 PM   #1
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Ive lost all hope in our government lets just scrap the whole thing and start over. This two party system is broken beyond repair.

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Old September 30th, 2013, 06:49 PM   #2
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Yep, it seems to have become completely dysfunctional, and I don't know how we can get it to function again.
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With the two party system as it sits they need to be able to bargin with each other and make compromises which this sitting president has said he will not compromise or try and work it out.
But he will have talks with the new president of Iran and try to hammer out a deal about their nuclear ambitions.
He'd rather deal with terrorists than the people of this country
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With the two party system as it sits they need to be able to bargin with each other and make compromises which this sitting president has said he will not compromise or try and work it out.
But he will have talks with the new president of Iran and try to hammer out a deal about their nuclear ambitions.
He'd rather deal with terrorists than the people of this country
And of course I disagree. It's bullshit for the to insist on changing an existing law before they will agree to fund basic government functions.
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And of course I disagree. It's bullshit for the to insist on changing an existing law before they will agree to fund basic government functions.
The ill fund enough to keep the gov open and all funds to take care of needed things but no funding for obamacare.
Why would you think it is ok for so many people exempt from this new and improved health care bill but ok for Americans who overwhelmingly disapprove of it to begin with?
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And of course I disagree. It's bullshit for the to insist on changing an existing law before they will agree to fund basic government functions.
Even in a shut down basic functions continue, only non-essential functions stop. Grandma will still get her social security checks, the military still functions, border patrol is still patrolling, USPS will still deliver mail, unemployment money will still be distributed, food stamps are still given out, the IRS will continue to collect taxes, etc., etc., etc.

So, why is it bullshit when these representatives are doing what they were sent there to do? That's what the mid-term elections were all about. Most of those elected ran on a platform of stopping Obamacare. Now when they do what the people sent them there for they're called dangerous terrorists by the opposing party with claims of holding us hostage. Fear mongering.

The real bullshit is no budget for about 5 years now, instead we have to constantly go through these continuing resolutions to fund the government.

The real bullshit is all the laws Obama has either changed, waived or out right ignored, including provisions in his own signature law.

Why isn't any of that front page news? You would think that the U.S. President waiving provisions of a federal law which bans the supply of weapons and money to terrorists so he can arm Syrian rebels (read al Qaeda) would be front page news. You KNOW it would be if the other party was in the White House, hell, it's giving aid to our enemies.

The people are fed up and the slight backbone some elected officials are showing proves that.
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Why isn't any of that front page news? You would think that the U.S. President waiving provisions of a federal law which bans the supply of weapons and money to terrorists so he can arm Syrian rebels (read al Qaeda) would be front page news. You KNOW it would be if the other party was in the White House, hell, it's giving aid to our enemies.

Well the media cannot call this to the attention of the sheeple, for fear their infailable leader could be tried for TREASON. Because that is EXACTLY what he is doing.
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Why isn't any of that front page news? You would think that the U.S. President waiving provisions of a federal law which bans the supply of weapons and money to terrorists so he can arm Syrian rebels (read al Qaeda) would be front page news. You KNOW it would be if the other party was in the White House, hell, it's giving aid to our enemies.

Well the media cannot call this to the attention of the sheeple, for fear their infailable leader could be tried for TREASON. Because that is EXACTLY what he is doing.
Did you actually read the article? Here's a quote:

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The law allows the president to waive those prohibitions if he "determines that the transaction is essential to the national security interests of the United States."
The right of the President to waive those prohibitions was written into the the law.
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So, why is it bullshit when these representatives are doing what they were sent there to do? That's what the mid-term elections were all about. Most of those elected ran on a platform of stopping Obamacare. Now when they do what the people sent them there for they're called dangerous terrorists by the opposing party with claims of holding us hostage. Fear mongering.
OK. So they're failures then. The government has been shut down, and yet Obamacare is continuing as planned.
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The right of the President to waive those prohibitions was written into the the law.
Then I guess that makes it ok to arm al Qaeda. Got it.
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Then I guess that makes it ok to arm al Qaeda. Got it.
What arms have gone to Al Qaeda? Is there any proof of that actually happening?
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What arms have gone to Al Qaeda? Is there any proof of that actually happening?
Not yet, the waiving of that law was the precursor to giving aid. He couldn't, by law. Maybe they won't arm the rebels, we'll see, but then why waive the law.

My point was that this along with other examples doesn't raise any eyebrows in the media or the left. The stuff happening with this administration are far more overreaching than anything Bush ever did and he was considered the Devil himself by the media.
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Not yet, the waiving of that law was the precursor to giving aid. He couldn't, by law. Maybe they won't arm the rebels, we'll see, but then why waive the law.

My point was that this along with other examples doesn't raise any eyebrows in the media or the left. The stuff happening with this administration are far more overreaching than anything Bush ever did and he was considered the Devil himself by the media.
Once again, he did not "waive the law". He used a provision within the law to waive a certain restriction.
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The right of the President to waive those prohibitions was written into the the law.
That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside.

Arming a known enemy of the united states of america IS treason, and this administration has done it once and is taking steps towards doing it again. Have you forgoten Fast and Furious!!!
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With the two party system as it sits they need to be able to bargin with each other and make compromises which this sitting president has said he will not compromise or try and work it out.
But he will have talks with the new president of Iran and try to hammer out a deal about their nuclear ambitions.
He'd rather deal with terrorists than the people of this country
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And of course I disagree. It's bullshit for the to insist on changing an existing law before they will agree to fund basic government functions.
The President and the Dems negotiated with the GOP on the ACA over and over again. Each time when the GOP got what they wanted they still voted against the bill. The ACA has been Law for over 3 years now, implementing the law is no longer a negotiating point. Shutting down the government does not defund the law. Shutdown is political bullshit.

Negotiating the Budget? Another thing that has been blocked. 18 requests over the past year by the Dems to go to committee and negotiate budget points. 18 denials and refusals to go to committee by the GOP.

So now, the Government is shut down and the ACA is still going strong with new portions implemented today, including the Exchanges.

Even John McCain said there was no way to stop the law, let's move on and try to fix what they think is broke. (paraphrasing here)

And I love how Obama is being demonized for making a significant step in the right direction when it comes to peace with Iran. Laughable how it is being held against him.
Besides I heard it said that he should have an easy time with the Iranians since he has had plenty of practice dealing with hardline religious conservative zealots over the course of the last 5 years. (that would be the GOP if you were not paying attention)
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This thread is what is wrong with the U.S. Divided we fall.
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That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside.

Arming a known enemy of the united states of america IS treason, and this administration has done it once and is taking steps towards doing it again. Have you forgoten Fast and Furious!!!
Oh, pay no attention to any of that. The only thing that matters is how much Obama cares about us and how hard he's working to try and fix everything. I don't think there's ANYTHING he can do that will hurt him in the media.

Not directed at you here but on the budget, the first step is the president submits a budget request to Congress. The last budget Obama submitted IIRC, didnt even get one democrat vote. But let's blame that on the other party also. You know the party that's compared to terrorists. Extremism now equals constitutionalists. Sickening.
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That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside.

Arming a known enemy of the united states of america IS treason, and this administration has done it once and is taking steps towards doing it again. Have you forgoten Fast and Furious!!!
The gunwalking programs began under Bush.
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The President and the Dems negotiated with the GOP on the ACA over and over again. Each time when the GOP got what they wanted they still voted against the bill. The ACA has been Law for over 3 years now, implementing the law is no longer a negotiating point. Shutting down the government does not defund the law. Shutdown is political bullshit.

Negotiating the Budget? Another thing that has been blocked. 18 requests over the past year by the Dems to go to committee and negotiate budget points. 18 denials and refusals to go to committee by the GOP.

So now, the Government is shut down and the ACA is still going strong with new portions implemented today, including the Exchanges.

Even John McCain said there was no way to stop the law, let's move on and try to fix what they think is broke. (paraphrasing here)

And I love how Obama is being demonized for making a significant step in the right direction when it comes to peace with Iran. Laughable how it is being held against him.
Besides I heard it said that he should have an easy time with the Iranians since he has had plenty of practice dealing with hardline religious conservative zealots over the course of the last 5 years. (that would be the GOP if you were not paying attention)
The president allowed the extension for the employer mandate, 1 year down the road before it kicks in. The GOP wanted to do the same for the individual mandate and for some odd reason the president will not give in and allow the same for everybody else. Why?
We also have the exemptions of obamacare for the senate and their families, congress and their families, the supreme court and their families and countless corperations and big unions. Why?
As far as this being the law, it is up to congress to and they can overturn this, it is their job as congress to enforce and change laws. The majority of the American people do not want it nor like it including myself. My insurance just went up because of obamacare according to BCBS. A $250 deductible to a $4000.00 deductible.
Socialized medicine is not the answer here it will only hurt the economy and will not give coverage to all Americans.
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