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Old September 26th, 2013, 06:19 PM   #121
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I would support universal health care if it did not exempt those in power or their union drones. I believe the Constitution has addressed this issue but the Constitution no longer carries any weight in our law making processes. Sadness.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 06:35 PM   #122
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These programs are there to help people who are living in poverty. By poverty I am talking a house hold income of $2 a day. That is before debt or any assistance.

If you can work you should. There is always a job out there most of these people are to lazy or getting enough for not working it does not justify working.

My father had a shop across from Mel Trotter growing up. His old shop is now there parking lot. I can tell right away someone that needs help and someone that is simply lazy. If they need help then I will help them without putting myself in jeopardy.

I don't give money to lazy people I ask them to perform a task or barter with them. People that need the money will do the task or trade. People that are lazy will not.

My favorite usually goes like this:
"Hey man can you give me/us money for a Bus ticket (with some excuse following)."
Bus tickets are quite expensive and handing over $80-$150 is not something I tend to do without a reason.

I look them up and down and see if I notice anything they don't need. If I don't see anything I will ask them to open there bag or whatever. Usually I can find something that they like and don't need like headphones, mp3 player, etc. I give them enough for a bus ticket in exchange for the item.

I have a few mp3 players, crappy dvd players, portable gaming systems, I have even bought a purse before. I give most of it to goodwill or the army via drop boxes. The point is to teach them a lesson not take advantage of them. The woman I got the purse from was more then glad to hand it over and stuff her pockets with junk to get home.

I don't take pity on people that place them self in a situations they could have easily avoided. Stuff does happen and everyone needs a little bit of help every now and then.

You should help them because you want to not because you are forced to.

If I could see myself being in the same situation I will gladly help in anyway I can. If see that they damn near deliberately placed them self's in that situation I will barter.

I grew up volunteering at Bethany, march of dimes, mel trotter and others for my weekends. If we did not do that we were working on something.

I do not give to charities. I will volunteer doing remedial work when I have time available. But giving and then getting a response along the lines of "why not" tends to hit a nerve.
It is not something you are required to do. That is the point of charity work. If it is something that your forced to do that is work or punishment.

I sure as hell am not working for these people to sit on there butt without getting something in return.

You want your bridge card? I want to see you (and other local capable bodies within 1/4 a mile) at 12 mile and Franklin on Saturday from 8am to Noon. We will be picking up the community during that time. If you do not show up your bridge card will be reduced or increased(within the set limits)by 10%.
This would have set bridge people over looking others which would eventually become a career for those over seers if they showed they actually were cleaning up the area.

This same thing could apply to those without health insurance and able to perform community service in some manner.

How would the trash get to the dump? A 2% reduction in bridge card overall would pay for this. That would allow local trash companies to provide a dumpster that will be filled that Saturday at the location.

I don't care if they sit around most of the time dragging there feet and talking. If 30 people fill a dumpster 1/2 full in 4 hours Parts of Detroit could be clean within a few years.

As long as I have something to show for paying for them to be lazy I wont feel so screwed over.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #123
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Old September 26th, 2013, 07:08 PM   #124
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So are you OK with hospitals dumping the "lazy slobs" on the sidewalk out front if their bill exceeds their ability to pay?
Since you don't read well I will give you the cliffs notes.

-leave the health care system alone

-our country is in debt up to our eyeballs

-we need to pay off what we owe before we pick up more bills

-I, as a productive member of society, deserve better health care than a lazy handout seeker

Questions I have for you

1-do you believe that giving more to a lazy person is going to motivate them to do more for themselves?

2-do you believe that parents pass attitude traits whether good or bad onto their children?

3-in a socialist system which class disappears; upper, middle or low?

4-financially, do you think this is a smart time for us to spend more or buckle down and get our country into a better financial situation?

5-do you believe in the tooth fairy?
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Old September 26th, 2013, 08:29 PM   #125
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Since you don't read well I will give you the cliffs notes.

-leave the health care system alone

-our country is in debt up to our eyeballs

-we need to pay off what we owe before we pick up more bills

-I, as a productive member of society, deserve better health care than a lazy handout seeker

Questions I have for you

1-do you believe that giving more to a lazy person is going to motivate them to do more for themselves?

2-do you believe that parents pass attitude traits whether good or bad onto their children?

3-in a socialist system which class disappears; upper, middle or low?

4-financially, do you think this is a smart time for us to spend more or buckle down and get our country into a better financial situation?

5-do you believe in the tooth fairy?
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Old September 26th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #126
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Since you don't read well I will give you the cliffs notes.

-leave the health care system alone

-our country is in debt up to our eyeballs

-we need to pay off what we owe before we pick up more bills

-I, as a productive member of society, deserve better health care than a lazy handout seeker

Questions I have for you

1-do you believe that giving more to a lazy person is going to motivate them to do more for themselves?

2-do you believe that parents pass attitude traits whether good or bad onto their children?

3-in a socialist system which class disappears; upper, middle or low?

4-financially, do you think this is a smart time for us to spend more or buckle down and get our country into a better financial situation?

5-do you believe in the tooth fairy?
OK got it. We keep the current system where the ER has to treat anyone who shows up with an emergency, regardless of their ability to pay, and the costs for those that can't pay gets passed on to the rest of us in by way of higher fees.

1. No. But I know that not everyone that happens to work someplace that does not offer health insurance, or that is self employed is lazy. Making it easier for these people to get health care sounds like a good thing to me. Personally I would have preferred it be though low cost no frills clinics, but I'm will to give the health insurance exchanges with subsidies a try.

2. Yes. What are you suggesting we do about it? Let kids die because their parents are lazy?

3. I suppose the answer you're looking for is "middle", but I also know that much of the middle class got there because unions helped elevate many people up to the middle. I think the middle class would shrink under a purely capitalist system.

4. No, it's probably not the best time to be spending more. But with medical cost rising and fewer people having employer provided insurance, I'm not sure how long we can wait.

5. Yes, always worked for me. Every time I put a tooth under my pillow I got money for it. But I'm starting to have my doubts about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Neither of them has given me anything in years.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 08:45 PM   #127
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So are you OK with hospitals dumping the "lazy slobs" on the sidewalk out front if their bill exceeds their ability to pay?
yes, it is there choices in life that effect there ability to get a job, maintain their credit and obtain and pay for health services. Not mine
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Old September 26th, 2013, 08:49 PM   #128
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OK got it. We keep the current system where the ER has to treat anyone who shows up with an emergency, regardless of their ability to pay, and the costs for those that can't pay gets passed on to the rest of us in by way of higher fees.
So if what we are doing right now is paying higher fees, what are you calling the outrageous costs associated with Obamacare that will be passed onto us?
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Old September 26th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #129
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Old September 26th, 2013, 08:58 PM   #130
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Old September 26th, 2013, 09:05 PM   #131
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So if what we are doing right now is paying higher fees, what are you calling the outrageous costs associated with Obamacare that will be passed onto us?
higher fees.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 09:38 PM   #132
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Old September 26th, 2013, 10:00 PM   #133
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Thanks Obama for the 28% increase for my health care premium coming this October.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 10:03 PM   #134
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So you're OK with dying people on the sidewalk in front of the hospital?
People die all the time, in all kinds of places: inside the hospital, on the way to hospital, at home, at school, on a park bench, in the military...etc.
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From everything that I have gathered from brewmenn, I am okay with people dying on the streets because I refuse to pay for their healthcare.

I am such a bad person.... who doesn't give a flying fukc. I work hard, pay taxes, pay my bills on time, and have never needed any kind of assistance. Why? Because I don't want to end up like a bum. I want to better my education, advance in my career, and have the life I want to live. I am able bodied to work therefore I do. I may not like it at times, but I have to do what it takes.

BUT! Maybe I will take my able bodied self and just take a 5 year vacation. Just not work, quit school, get on government assistance, get bridge card, the whole nine yards. At all of your expenses! brewmenn, you're okay with that right? I need free healthcare, but I don't want to work for it.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 10:55 PM   #138
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Thank god they put into law that any sb under 50 employees does not have to give benefits. Gone are the days of a sb offering benefits. It costs way to much to be able to stay out of business as it was let alone the new price hike. Just ask cc
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Old September 26th, 2013, 11:04 PM   #139
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People die all the time, in all kinds of places: inside the hospital, on the way to hospital, at home, at school, on a park bench, in the military...etc.
No shit.

I'm specifically talking about people who have treatable illnesses but do not have the means to pay for those treatments. Shall we just let them die?
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No shit.

I'm specifically talking about people who have treatable illnesses but do not have the means to pay for those treatments. Shall we just let them die?
That's why those people pay to have health insurance that will cover the cost of their treatments.
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