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Old September 25th, 2013, 11:41 PM   #61
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Their lives aren't more valuable than you're, but they might be more valuable than the cup of coffee we might have otherwise used that money on.

And no, I blow the money on strippers and beer since you taught me to not care about others. I hope the hospital doesn't kick you to the curb.
Lol. A cup of coffee? Your right. It will be just like welfare. Run perfectly to protect from abusers. I cant wait to see how much more its going to cost me to help the needy get medical care for every ache and scrape they get. Good luck getting into a doctors office once all these ppl be payin for dis shit so dey gonna get dey moneis worff
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"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

January 20, 1981: From Reagan's Inaugural Address.

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Get a fucking job ! Pay for insurance !!!!! Stop feeding the lazy with my money! ........... I'm going to work now so I can help pay for the fukc ups ! Have a good day
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Their lives aren't more valuable than you're, but they might be more valuable than the cup of coffee we might have otherwise used that money on.

And no, I blow the money on strippers and beer since you taught me to not care about others. I hope the hospital doesn't kick you to the curb.
If they wanted insurance they should have made better choices in life. I knew that health insurance was something that I had to have so I worked my ass off to get and keep a good job that gives it to me. It is called personal responsibility. If you are unable to work because of a legitimate health reason you get health care through the government right now. Obama care is giving health care to the people that are completely able bodied with the ability to work but are too busy leeching off the rest of us in every way that they can. If someone is too lazy to help themselves why should the rest of us have to suffer with worse health care to help them out? I don't give a shit about a crack dealer with a cold and a hangnail.
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If they wanted insurance they should have made better choices in life. I knew that health insurance was something that I had to have so I worked my ass off to get and keep a good job that gives it to me. It is called personal responsibility. If you are unable to work because of a legitimate health reason you get health care through the government right now. Obama care is giving health care to the people that are completely able bodied with the ability to work but are too busy leeching off the rest of us in every way that they can. If someone is too lazy to help themselves why should the rest of us have to suffer with worse health care to help them out? I don't give a shit about a crack dealer with a cold and a hangnail.
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If they wanted insurance they should have made better choices in life. I knew that health insurance was something that I had to have so I worked my ass off to get and keep a good job that gives it to me. It is called personal responsibility. If you are unable to work because of a legitimate health reason you get health care through the government right now. Obama care is giving health care to the people that are completely able bodied with the ability to work but are too busy leeching off the rest of us in every way that they can. If someone is too lazy to help themselves why should the rest of us have to suffer with worse health care to help them out? I don't give a shit about a crack dealer with a cold and a hangnail.
Exactly. OBAMACARE is a practice of Marx's Concept Of Socialism at its finest.
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If they wanted insurance they should have made better choices in life. I knew that health insurance was something that I had to have so I worked my ass off to get and keep a good job that gives it to me. It is called personal responsibility. If you are unable to work because of a legitimate health reason you get health care through the government right now. Obama care is giving health care to the people that are completely able bodied with the ability to work but are too busy leeching off the rest of us in every way that they can. If someone is too lazy to help themselves why should the rest of us have to suffer with worse health care to help them out? I don't give a shit about a crack dealer with a cold and a hangnail.



I work with several people who "can't afford" our companies insurance plan so they go without yet they afford to go out to lunch daily, take smoke breaks every hour, and spe every evening drinking beer while watching cable on their new smart tv.
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Brewmenn, you need to go shadow my wife in the ER for a day. I can guarantee your opinion will change.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 08:43 AM   #69
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If a government health care plan is good enough for my constituents, then it’s good enough for the people who passed it.

Our government was built on checks and balances: Separation of powers, split between three branches of government, with each branch having equal powers. This system works, even when both sides are stalled and in disagreement. It’s to the benefit of our country. When Congress cannot agree, that means the bill is not fit to be a law. Obamacare is perfect proof that this system must be upheld. Having legislation jammed through Congress in a hyperpartisan way and signed into law without a solidified plan is detrimental to our country.

As the Oct. 1 open enrollment date for the Obamacare exchanges approaches, it is no surprise that the American public’s support for the government takeover of health care is at its lowest levels since the law’s passage in 2010. Time and again, the administration has repealed components, delayed deadlines or unilaterally modified major aspects of the president’s health care law, which proves the law simply does not work.

Plagued by delays and broken promises, President Barack Obama’s health care law is now sputtering toward a soft launch, bleeding the backing of even its staunchest allies along the way. Millions of Americans have lost their employer-provided health insurance due to burdensome mandates, premiums for hard working families have spiked under the law and an unsettling trend of a permanent part-time workforce has resulted.

I have spoken with a number of small business owners about how the mandate will affect them. On a number of occasions I’ve been told that firms are refraining from hiring new employees, despite having work for them, because an increase in employment would take the company over the threshold to provide health insurance. A chef and owner of an up-and-coming restaurant says he will have to make do with his current staff. And a construction contractor could use more hands but cannot take the increased strain of the ACA on his business. On a national scale, many more businesses have announced their plans on how to cope with this job-killing law. Trader Joe’s will no longer provide benefits to part-time workers, SeaWorld will reduce hours for up to 18,000 part-time workers and Stryker laid off more than 1,000 employees.

While the law was being debated, I supported an amendment that put members of Congress, the president, and cabinet officials in the exchanges. On Dec. 31, the health insurance plans members of Congress and their staff currently receive through the federal government will be terminated and they will be required to get their health insurance through the government-run exchanges created by Obamacare.

In just seven days, my staff and I will lose our current coverage and be forced to join the exchange.

I opposed Obamacare at every turn. Isn’t it ironic that the members who voted for Obamacare are now trying to exempt themselves?

My hope is that if members of the House and Senate feel the same effect as their districts, something substantial will change and Congress will finally come to the table with a real solution to our nation’s health care problem. We are the United States of America, with the keyword being “United” and together Congress and their constitutes will ride this “trainwreck” together, even the members who voted for Obamacare.

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Obama care will hurt the pocketbooks of every hard working American. I to have BCBS and sat through meetings yesterday regarding the massive increases in healthcare costs over the next two years. I already have a high deductible plan to keep the plan cheaper and I still get a $100 per month increase for 2014 and up to $500 the year following. The company I work for will incur and extra $13 million in extra health care costs for 2014 due to Obama Care instead of $1 million. Obama, go F-yourself!!

Also to the Health care companies who raise their rates continually above all normal market conditions and because you are trying to make a point that you dont like Obama Care, you can go F-yourself also!!
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The sick and elderly already have government programs to help them out. The 35 million people referenced are ones making choices in their lives to not get health insurance. If they do not see their health as a priority, why should the tax payers?

80% of poverty households have cell phones
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They put the above items above their health. That's their choice. Their lack of planning or giving a shit about health care is not my problem.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 01:49 PM   #73
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The sick and elderly already have government programs to help them out. The 35 million people referenced are ones making choices in their lives to not get health insurance. If they do not see their health as a priority, why should the tax payers?
Those old folks should have planned better and had jobs that would provide them lifetime insurance even after they were retired. If they didn't see their future health as a priority, why should the tax payers?
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If they wanted insurance they should have made better choices in life. I knew that health insurance was something that I had to have so I worked my ass off to get and keep a good job that gives it to me. It is called personal responsibility. If you are unable to work because of a legitimate health reason you get health care through the government right now. Obama care is giving health care to the people that are completely able bodied with the ability to work but are too busy leeching off the rest of us in every way that they can. If someone is too lazy to help themselves why should the rest of us have to suffer with worse health care to help them out? I don't give a shit about a crack dealer with a cold and a hangnail.
Here's the problem with your "if they wanted insurance they should have made better choices in life" idea. It sounds nice, and works for those who were fortunate enough to be guided to do so. For others, it's not that easy. Can you work hard and move up in a company? Make your self more valuable? Absolutely, But that doesn't mean that EVERYBODY can. Nor does saying "You should have made better choices" help the single mother who is trying to better her self by working, going to school, and taking care of 2 kids. Most of you on here (or those that have commented or agreed with your sentiment) would consider her a free loader and a leech to our society. Or am I missing something? Because that's exactly what you guys are saying.

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I quoted my self to make it clear I don't think it's the answer but I also don't think "work harder because it worked for me" is the answer either. Because you were fortunate to be have that insight and most people aren't. I'm all for kicking the moochers off, but there are people that legitimately use assistance as tool to work up to the position your so proud to be in.
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Those old folks should have planned better and had jobs that would provide them lifetime insurance even after they were retired. If they didn't see their future health as a priority, why should the tax payers?
The old folks paid into social security and medicare. They DID do something about the future of their health but the government let them down with mismanaging it.
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The old folks paid into social security and medicare. They DID do something about the future of their health but the government let them down with mismanaging it.
Their Medicare is still (and was always meant to be) a tax payer subsidized health care system. So even if it had never been mismanaged, we are still paying for them.
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Too many leaches. And its about time that the government puts themselves in the working mans class, not the upper upper class people. Whats good for a goose, is good for the gander.
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Here's the problem with your "if they wanted insurance they should have made better choices in life" idea. It sounds nice, and works for those who were fortunate enough to be guided to do so. For others, it's not that easy. Can you work hard and move up in a company? Make your self more valuable? Absolutely, But that doesn't mean that EVERYBODY can. Nor does saying "You should have made better choices" help the single mother who is trying to better her self by working, going to school, and taking care of 2 kids. Most of you on here (or those that have commented or agreed with your sentiment) would consider her a free loader and a leech to our society. Or am I missing something? Because that's exactly what you guys are saying.



I quoted my self to make it clear I don't think it's the answer but I also don't think "work harder because it worked for me" is the answer either. Because you were fortunate to be have that insight and most people aren't. I'm all for kicking the moochers off, but there are people that legitimately use assistance as tool to work up to the position your so proud to be in.
Single mom trying to make it? Ummmm most of those already have government health care. Was it my choice that she got pregnant? Nope? I chose to use protection when having sex so I wouldn't end up getting some chick knocked up. People who truly need health care are already covered by the current system. Anybody who truly works hard and tries to succeed in life can do it. The big issue is I am getting punished for other peoples lack of drive. For every person that obama care helps there will be a thousand people who abuse it. When it comes down to it our economy is swirling the drain as it is, do you really think we can afford to give more to people with no ethics? We keep breeding more and more people that are just waiting for the next handout. If more of those lazy motherfuckers that could work would work they could be an asset to society instead of being a drain.

It all comes down to personal responsibility. If you don't try, I don't care.
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Single mom trying to make it? Ummmm most of those already have government health care. Was it my choice that she got pregnant? Nope? I chose to use protection when having sex so I wouldn't end up getting some chick knocked up. People who truly need health care are already covered by the current system. Anybody who truly works hard and tries to succeed in life can do it. The big issue is I am getting punished for other peoples lack of drive. For every person that obama care helps there will be a thousand people who abuse it. When it comes down to it our economy is swirling the drain as it is, do you really think we can afford to give more to people with no ethics? We keep breeding more and more people that are just waiting for the next handout. If more of those lazy motherfuckers that could work would work they could be an asset to society instead of being a drain.

It all comes down to personal responsibility. If you don't try, I don't care.
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