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Old September 25th, 2013, 11:26 AM   #21
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Even if it is only symbolic... At least there is one man willing to go to extreme lengths in an effort to fight something that is absolutely horrible for the American people and is being used as a weapon against political opponents of the Democrats. Congress shall pass no law that applies to the people but does not apply to themselves. They exempted themselves from this disaster. They exempted all of their friends and family from it. It's corruption at its finest.
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I don't think he is making a name for himself. He sees this train-wreck legislation headed our way that will cost 1.8 trillion dollars over the next ten years and he is trying to do something about it and he is showing that he is willing to go to extremes to do the right thing.


If only more would be willing to do it. Bottom line, if his constituents don't want it, he should not vote for it.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 11:28 AM   #22
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If only more would be willing to do it. Bottom line, if his constituents don't want it, he should not vote for it.
That right there is the whole point. There are so few members of congress that are actually listening to the people they represent these days that it's led us to where we are now. On the verge of total collapse.

The people of Colorado sent one LOUD AND CLEAR message to the rest of the country and it rattled the hell out of the establishment. WE THE PEOPLE HOLD THE POWER.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 12:15 PM   #23
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I like my BCBS. I don't like paying for others health problems.
So you must have really hated the old way, where people didn't have to have coverage, but emergency room had to treat them if it was a life or death situation. If the patient couldn't pay the costs where passed on to the rest of us.
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So you must have really hated the old way, where people didn't have to have coverage, but emergency room had to treat them if it was a life or death situation. If the patient couldn't pay the costs where passed on to the rest of us.
so we might as well expand life and death situations to ALL heath issues?
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Old September 25th, 2013, 12:26 PM   #25
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so we might as well expand life and death situations to ALL heath issues?
Or we could try to find a way to get more people covered under insurance plans so they don't have to wait until it's live or death.
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Or we could try to find a way to get more people covered under insurance plans so they don't have to wait until it's live or death.
Like repeal a trainwreck of a law that is forcing millions of Americans further into poverty and turning America into a part time work force?
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Old September 25th, 2013, 12:42 PM   #27
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Or we could try to find a way to get more people covered under insurance plans so they don't have to wait until it's live or death.
Making the government role bigger will in the long run will never drive anything but further dependence. It is the death of every “advanced” society in history. What makes us think we are any different? Be very careful what you wish for.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 12:45 PM   #28
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Or we could try to find a way to get more people covered under insurance plans so they don't have to wait until it's live or death.
Great idea. Let's accomplish that through improving the economy therefore giving employment and prosperity to those who need it.

Or, just force coverage on everyone at the cost of those who produce and watch the water continue to circle the drain.
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Or we could try to find a way to get more people covered under insurance plans so they don't have to wait until it's live or death.
Or we can remove the government from the equation and let the consumers chose which plan they want to buy regardless of the the state the company is in allowing for more reasonably priced plans and greater availability.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 01:06 PM   #31
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Or we could try to find a way to get more people covered under insurance plans so they don't have to wait until it's live or death.
obamacare does not give anyone insurance. if forces every person to buy insurance. it did not lower the price of insurance for anyone, it raised insurance costs. many people lost their insurance coverage because of obamacare. obama said you could keep your coverage if you like what u have, thousands will not be able to, he lied.

if it worked to keep prices down, and insured "most people" in the cheapest way possible, i would be in support of obamacare.

it does nothing but screw up the worlds best health care. our system was not perfect, but you cant get "better", or more "hi-tech" care anywhere in the world. we are the innovators in medicine. if obamacare made it better, i would support it!

my mom is dying right now. they cant get her out the door fast enough.
they wont do anything thats not absolutely mandatory. they want a family member there to watch her 24/7.

save the last bullet for yourself!

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or you could force people to be accountable for themselves
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or you could force people to be accountable for themselves
Now you're just talking crazy
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or you could force people to be accountable for themselves
with mandates, like requiring them to buy insurance if they can, and if they don't you hit them with a fee/penalty/tax?
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with mandates, like requiring them to buy insurance if they can, and if they don't you hit them with a fee/penalty/tax?
What do you do with those that can't?
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What do you do with those that can't?
You simply force the tax payers to pick up the tab, duh! Oh you also increase medicaid eligibility income level by 400% so the same tax payers can pick up that tab too.
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You simply force the tax payers to pick up the tab, duh! Oh you also increase medicaid eligibility income level by 400% so the same tax payers can pick up that tab too.
Sounds like a great plan to me
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So you must have really hated the old way, where people didn't have to have coverage, but emergency room had to treat them if it was a life or death situation. If the patient couldn't pay the costs where passed on to the rest of us.
Ha ha ha. The joke's on you. It was established a while ago that there will still be millions of Americans that will not have any health care coverage under Obamacare. And even more that will not be able to afford the increases on the premiums with their existing plans, causing them to dump their insurance entirely because paying the fine/tax is cheaper for them. So not only are the costs for the uninsured still going to be passed on to you from the insurance companies, but also through your tax dollars to pay for all the people who have no insurance except Obamacare.

How does it feel to be basically paying for the uninsured twice now?
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