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Old September 24th, 2013, 06:08 AM   #81
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Both DTE and Consumers have programs to connect people in certain areas, in which case it is often free. Call and ask about your location. Both of them would charge around $400 to go 300' with the information I have.

Look up the model of your hot water heater/boiler. You may find that the model you have only requires a burner change in order to go to natural gas. There are other retrofit kits out there.

I almost guarantee that this ^^^^^ will be the case. But I also guarantee that Andy will not do the 1/2 hours worth of leg work to determine if this is so.

I would also look in the attic and see if a couple hundred dollars of insulation would be an even better investment (or more cost CONVENIENT).
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Old September 24th, 2013, 06:26 AM   #82
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I almost guarantee that this ^^^^^ will be the case. But I also guarantee that Andy will not do the 1/2 hours worth of leg work to determine if this is so.

I would also look in the attic and see if a couple hundred dollars of insulation would be an even better investment (or more cost CONVENIENT).
insulation more comming next month.

Natural gas install is useless right now, I have nothing gas powered so what's the point of getting an estimate?
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Old September 24th, 2013, 06:30 AM   #83
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Looking into this for my basement as well..... subscribed
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Old September 24th, 2013, 06:33 AM   #84
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insulation more comming next month.

Natural gas install is useless right now, I have nothing gas powered so what's the point of getting an estimate?
Did you happen to read what mr green quoted? There is a chance all you will have to do is change the burner in your propane boiler.

Why do you start threads like this if you don't plan on listening to anybody's advice?
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Old September 24th, 2013, 06:37 AM   #85
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Did you happen to read what mr green quoted? There is a chance all you will have to do is change the burner in your propane boiler.

Why do you start threads like this if you don't plan on listening to anybody's advice?
I did but I don't have a propane boiler and no fuel oil to natural gas conversion is available for my boiler. I would have to install a brand new boiler.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 06:45 AM   #86
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I did but I don't have a propane boiler and no fuel oil to natural gas conversion is available for my boiler. I would have to install a brand new boiler.


Make sure to get ahold of the natural gas people fairly quickly. They put you on a schedule and it may take them 6-8 months before they will do the work. Chances are you couldn't get them out there before winter even if you wanted too. At least that was my experience with trying to get gas hooked up.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 06:51 AM   #87
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So all this effort will net you a $500 temporay savings but a $2500 long term loss, or to say it a different way, $2500 less available cash to put towards the new $8000 investment next year? If you plan to only use it for one year, you will take a hit on selling a used pellet stove.

Save the money, hassle and time. Live with the current setup this year and like suggested by others, see what the year actually turns out to be like. Use your money and efforts elsewhere.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 07:09 AM   #88
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So all this effort will net you a $500 temporay savings but a $2500 long term loss, or to say it a different way, $2500 less available cash to put towards the new $8000 investment next year? If you plan to only use it for one year, you will take a hit on selling a used pellet stove.

Save the money, hassle and time. Live with the current setup this year and like suggested by others, see what the year actually turns out to be like. Use your money and efforts elsewhere.
I agree no point in spending dollars to save pennies. Still doing nothing at this point.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 07:22 AM   #89
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Years ago, I went to one of those wheel in our parking lot events at that 4x4 store in fenton. I hung out with some of my old pals sol goode and clarkston douchebagger and a handful of others. I met this goofy little dude named Andy. He seemed cool I thought, they all quietly warned me how retarded he was......

Over the years he has confirmed how retarded he was, thousands of times over.

Hey, skooterbuilt, is your name Andy?
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Years ago, I went to one of those wheel in our parking lot events at that 4x4 store in fenton. I hung out with some of my old pals sol goode and clarkston douchebagger and a handful of others. I met this goofy little dude named Andy. He seemed cool I thought, they all quietly warned me how retarded he was......

Over the years he has confirmed how retarded he was, thousands of times over.

Hey, skooterbuilt, is your name Andy?
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Old September 24th, 2013, 01:16 PM   #91
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Yeah, I liked the Somersets too. They were actually the ones I was referring to when I mentioned the $240 a ton price. The only place I've found them was through the delivery place I mentioned (Greenstones) and they charged a premium for them. If Menards has them for that price then I'll be buying some!

Edit: I just did a search on their website to find a retailer. Nearest one to me is in Brown City at a "Do It" center.
I am about to locate pellets for the year, gonna have to look for Somersets before I order the usual pro pellets....

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Old September 24th, 2013, 01:24 PM   #92
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http://www.efficiencymaine.com/at-ho...ating-options/ Cost comparison

When I filled my 250gal fuel oil tank in July it cost me almost $800, I think. If I go through 2 tanks that's $1600 in which I do nothing but prove a credit card number. Used pellet stove (burner) $800-1000 plus TSC pellets (3 ton =$750). Pellet stove requires minimal effort. That's close to being the same using math. Look at the cost comparison site above.
So you're including the ONE time cost of $800-$1000 in your "estimatations" for cost. You'd spend $1000 on a decent pellet stove, than after a year you'd make up that $1000 in only spending ~$750 on pellets instead of $1,600; savings of ~$850/yr after the first year.


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Old September 24th, 2013, 02:15 PM   #93
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I got a gas furnace for my old garage for Free. It was very nice and was probably big enough to warm your whole house. If you really wanted to do this the most economical way, you could. But it starts with getting actual quotes and real numbers, not a bunch of guesses. My final advice is to stick with what you have and start saving $ and collecting materials to switch to gas next year. Im out!
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Old September 24th, 2013, 06:10 PM   #94
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I got a gas furnace for my old garage for Free. It was very nice and was probably big enough to warm your whole house. If you really wanted to do this the most economical way, you could. But it starts with getting actual quotes and real numbers, not a bunch of guesses. My final advice is to stick with what you have and start saving $ and collecting materials to switch to gas next year. Im out!
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My old house had an original GM Delco Furnace (1939), according to the tag, converted to natural gas in 1956 (according to riveted on tag). I put off replacing the furnace at my old house for the longest time thinking it was really expensive, turned out to only be $1200.

It would have been a two year cost recoup
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Bought me a pellet stove today. I bought a used Berckwell Big E off craigslist. Seller wanted $500 but when I got there it wasn't working. He was planning on scrapping it so I took it off his hands for $60, figuring I could get it working as it was worth a gamble.

Came home, cleaned it and its working perfectly. Picked up the install piping, 2 bags of pellets and a bag of licorice for $200 at TSC. Its burning right now :)
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Old October 19th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #96
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Good stove, most people don't know about having to deep clean them once a year. The ashtraps get full and it will overheat, throw a code and shut down. Good score!
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Why don't you go to Beckman bros in Shelby and get cherry pits? They burn hotter and cleaner then pellets.
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Old October 20th, 2013, 10:33 AM   #98
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Good stove, most people don't know about having to deep clean them once a year. The ashtraps get full and it will overheat, throw a code and shut down. Good score!
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Old October 20th, 2013, 11:10 AM   #99
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Great score. I love my little Englander. Gotta make an extension hopper though. Right now it only holds 1 bag.
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Make sure you have a decent surge protector on it!
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