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Old September 19th, 2013, 11:13 AM   #21
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why should anyone have to double their effort (public service) to receive benefits their employers pay for? Cut retirement packages and solve bigger issues....
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Old September 19th, 2013, 11:19 AM   #22
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exactly. Single mothers don't usally send their kids to school at some point? I understand if they are infant, but you cant tell me someone who doesn't work, doesn't have time to do a few hours of community service. She just needs to put the remote control down if she cant find time. I also agree if you are on unemployment you should have to do drug tests, because how are you suppose to find a job if your dirty? That's right, you don't.
A lot of single mothers DO work and still get food benefits because they don't make enough. When are they supposed to do community service? Give you a blow job at the park?
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Old September 19th, 2013, 11:31 AM   #23
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A lot of single mothers DO work and still get food benefits because they don't make enough. When are they supposed to do community service? Give you a blow job at the park?
Usually, mothers who work full time qualify for benefits for help, like foodstamps, child support, and child care support and that's not at all what we are talking about. This is for people who are unemployment and for people on welfare payments who do not work, or work very little so they can still get payment. What about all those mothers who pop out kid after kid and are on 100% state assistance? What about the guy who is able to work, but rather enjoy his unemployment benefits and is on his 4th or 5th tear and has no job prospects and is a drug user? Still cool their not doing shit? I don't think a few hours a month is that much to ask for them to do something for their community, and have clean piss so they can get a job.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 11:45 AM   #24
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Old September 19th, 2013, 11:49 AM   #25
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at least it's a step in the right direction
I sure hope so. Something definitely needs to be done.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 11:50 AM   #26
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why should anyone have to double their effort (public service) to receive benefits their employers pay for? Cut retirement packages and solve bigger issues....
If i read that correctly community service was for welfare recipients, not those on unemployment. Those on unemployment, which is paid for by employers, would be subject to drug testing like anyone working for those employers would.

And I'm not sure who's retirement you want cut. For many of us company funded retirements have long since been cut out completely.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 11:54 AM   #27
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the drug tests will cost way less than the state is paying in benefits!!!!
I used to be all for this until it was proven that drug testing cost the state more than just paying them welfare as most of them don't fail. I mean yeah I don't want to give a crackhead welfare but if we are wasting more money on trying to catch the few of them is it really worth it.
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I misread and jumbled paragraphs. Still sticking with cutting retirement packages (non IRA/401K) for all public workers - that's a metric pile of money.

Didn't they just limit how long someone can be on welfare, also?
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Usually, mothers who work full time qualify for benefits for help, like foodstamps, child support, and child care support and that's not at all what we are talking about. This is for people who are unemployment and for people on welfare payments who do not work, or work very little so they can still get payment. What about all those mothers who pop out kid after kid and are on 100% state assistance? What about the guy who is able to work, but rather enjoy his unemployment benefits and is on his 4th or 5th tear and has no job prospects and is a drug user? Still cool their not doing shit? I don't think a few hours a month is that much to ask for them to do something for their community, and have clean piss so they can get a job.
This I do agree with.
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I used to be all for this until it was proven that drug testing cost the state more than just paying them welfare as most of them don't fail. I mean yeah I don't want to give a crackhead welfare but if we are wasting more money on trying to catch the few of them is it really worth it.
I'm betting that is because of all the false negatives. Its not that hard to pass a piss test even if you smoke up daily.
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I used to be all for this until it was proven that drug testing cost the state more than just paying them welfare as most of them don't fail. I mean yeah I don't want to give a crackhead welfare but if we are wasting more money on trying to catch the few of them is it really worth it.
If you are referring to Florida which instituted this policy, the results are skewed. In Florida, people refused to take the drug test and eventually the law was overturned and everyone who refused to take the test got their welfare money anyway. The people who went along with the drug tests, few people were caught with drugs in their system because the people with drugs in their system refused to test.
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If you are referring to Florida which instituted this policy, the results are skewed. In Florida, people refused to take the drug test and eventually the law was overturned and everyone who refused to take the test got their welfare money anyway. The people who went along with the drug tests, few people were caught with drugs in their system because the people with drugs in their system refused to test.
so it worked for a minute
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drug tests should be no problem to anyone who can piss clean.
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so it worked for a minute
I'm not even sure it worked for a quick second. The law was challenged right away so the people refusing piss tests may have received benefits while it was being battled over in court. I'm not sure.
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Here is an article on the Florida law

cliffs notes on what I was getting at:
7,000 people took the test
32 failed
1600 refused the test

Because 1600 refused the test, we will never know how many people would have tested dirty. I would venture to guess that the people who refused, most wouldn't pass a test.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/pr...re-recipients/
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I'm betting that is because of all the false negatives. Its not that hard to pass a piss test even if you smoke up daily.
I've passed a few in my day. Lots of water for dilution, and some vitamins for color. Worked for just weed anyway.
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I love the drug testing but community service is bs. What if you're disabled and can't do any community service? What if you're a single mother, working and taking care of your kids? When are you supposed to do community service?
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