Drug testing and community service for welfare recipients - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest

Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > Politics, Government, or Religion Chat
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino

Politics, Government, or Religion Chat Bring your flamesuit!

greatlakes4x4.com is the premier Great Lakes 4x4 Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old September 19th, 2013, 08:33 AM   #1
TJJEEP
Senior Member
 
TJJEEP's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: Orchard Lake
Posts: 2,934
iTrader: (2)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to TJJEEP Send a message via MSN to TJJEEP
Default Drug testing and community service for welfare recipients

LANSING — Bills that would deny unemployment benefits to people who refuse to take drug tests required by employers and that would mandate community service for people receiving public assistance were approved in the state Senate and a House committee Wednesday.

The drug-testing bill, which passed the House Commerce Committee on a 12-4 vote with three Democrats passing on the issue, would deny unemployment benefits for people who either refused to take a drug test required by an employer or tested positive.

The community service bill, which passed the Senate on a 27-9 vote, would require people receiving food stamps or other welfare benefits to participate in community service or other work-related activities in order to be eligible for the assistance.

Republicans called the bills common sense.

“There is absolutely nothing wrong with requiring folks to have a little skin in the game,” said Sen. Joe Hune, R-Hamburg Township. “All they have to do is a little community service to get their benefits.”

But Democrats said the GOP was targeting low-income people for political purposes leading into the 2014 election season, as Republicans continued to push bills that the party’s conservative base would support.

The bills continue a trend that began earlier this year with proposed legislation that targets public assistance recipients for suspicion-based drug testing, and a proposal that allows benefits to be denied if a child is truant from school. Those bills have passed the House and await action in the Senate.

“Wholesale drug testing without suspicion is simply illegal,” said Shelli Weisberg, spokeswoman for the American Civil Liberties Union in Michigan. “If we’re going down the road of drug testing for people who receive benefits, then we better start drug testing legislators.”

State Rep. Jon Switalski, D-Warren, offered an amendment to the drug-testing bill that would do that, but it failed.

“If the majority feels that drug testing for people on the public dole is good policy, then it’s clearly in the interest of good public policy to test all of us on the public dole,” he said. “But this is a bill about the elections in 2014 and nothing else.”

Anti-tax activist Bill McMaster noted that the bills don’t take into account Michigan’s support in a 2008 ballot initiative for the use of medical marijuana.

“It’s somewhat mysterious to me that you’re trying to eliminate the will of the people on the medical marijuana front,” he said. “A good number of people are employed successfully who are using medical marijuana.”

Sen. Vincent Gregory, D-Southfield, said it didn’t make sense to make someone — such as a single mother, for example — have to pay child care costs because of state-required community service. He offered an amendment — which ultimately failed — that would require the Department of Human Services to pick up child care costs while parents performed community service.

“We need to give residents a helping hand and not force them to do other things to get assistance from the state,” he said.

The drug-testing bill (HB 4952) now moves to the full House. The community service bill (SB276) moves to the House for consideration

http://www.freep.com/article/2013091...y-service-drug
__________________
If you're like me you like to talk to things. I'm Gary Busey!!
TJJEEP is online now   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old September 19th, 2013, 08:41 AM   #2
curbdog17
Mini Van
 
curbdog17's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-10-08
Location: 49415
Posts: 32,409
iTrader: (23)
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Default

__________________
17
curbdog17 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 08:42 AM   #3
caveman
willie banger
 
caveman's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-09-06
Location: Sturgis MI.
Posts: 2,397
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by curbdog17 View Post
x2
caveman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 08:45 AM   #4
bigbchevy
missmrgreenagain
 
bigbchevy's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-15-07
Location: fenton /hartland mi
Posts: 19,429
iTrader: (167)
Mentioned: 69 Post(s)
Default

Like!!!!!!!! X1000000000"000000""""""""0000000
__________________
H.o.r.e
(mr.green)So you are calling CC a liar?? Not a nice way to treat your bitch.
tube bending and gear installs pm me for info! gears installed for $150 and up per axle.
bigbchevy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 08:45 AM   #5
fsumotorhead
N8KVB
 
fsumotorhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: 10-24-06
Location: Flat Rock, MI
Posts: 4,199
iTrader: (34)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

at least it's a step in the right direction
fsumotorhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 08:46 AM   #6
mtnbikinbryno
Senior Member
 
mtnbikinbryno's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: TC
Posts: 5,354
iTrader: (3)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to mtnbikinbryno
Default

mtnbikinbryno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 09:05 AM   #7
brewmenn
Grumpy old man.
 
brewmenn's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Inkster, MI
Posts: 10,513
iTrader: (9)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
“Wholesale drug testing without suspicion is simply illegal,” said Shelli Weisberg, spokeswoman for the American Civil Liberties Union in Michigan. “If we’re going down the road of drug testing for people who receive benefits, then we better start drug testing legislators.”
Does she not realize that many of us had to pass drug tests to get our jobs and could be subjected to random drug tests to keep our jobs?
brewmenn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 09:08 AM   #8
Lousypirate
Yer a trucker, right?
 
Lousypirate's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-11-08
Location: Marne 49435
Posts: 11,764
iTrader: (33)
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Default



What pays for the drug tests though?
__________________
2003 gmc 1500hd quadrasteer "Miley"
2000 jeep cherokee "Herman"
194X CJ2a "To be named"
1977 Ranger 150a bass boat
1987 Yamaha Moto 4 quad
Lousypirate is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 09:09 AM   #9
8PTBUCK
The Local Hipster
 
8PTBUCK's Avatar
 
Join Date: 12-02-09
Location: Waterford/Gladwin, MI
Posts: 5,709
iTrader: (6)
Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by brewmenn View Post
Does she not realize that many of us had to pass drug tests to get our jobs and could be subjected to random drug tests to keep our jobs?
Probably not.
8PTBUCK is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 09:14 AM   #10
buttercr125
I work out
 
buttercr125's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-10-09
Location: Fenton, mi
Posts: 2,568
iTrader: (26)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

buttercr125 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 09:18 AM   #11
bigbchevy
missmrgreenagain
 
bigbchevy's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-15-07
Location: fenton /hartland mi
Posts: 19,429
iTrader: (167)
Mentioned: 69 Post(s)
Default

They are working for the government if they are getting a check from Marvin ! I work for the government and have to take drug tests ! No difference !!!!!!!
__________________
H.o.r.e
(mr.green)So you are calling CC a liar?? Not a nice way to treat your bitch.
tube bending and gear installs pm me for info! gears installed for $150 and up per axle.
bigbchevy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 09:34 AM   #12
snohog
Senior Member
 
Join Date: 12-09-07
Location: Howell, Mi
Posts: 857
iTrader: (10)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

the drug tests will cost way less than the state is paying in benefits!!!!
snohog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 10:03 AM   #13
Coyote Red
Senior Member
 
Coyote Red's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-24-11
Location: Chelsea, MI
Posts: 1,040
iTrader: (7)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Coyote Red is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 10:11 AM   #14
lepp1892
WebWheeling1KeyAtaTime
 
lepp1892's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-06-07
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 740
iTrader: (8)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Sen. Vincent Gregory, D-Southfield, said it didn’t make sense to make someone — such as a single mother, for example — have to pay child care costs because of state-required community service. He offered an amendment — which ultimately failed — that would require the Department of Human Services to pick up child care costs while parents performed community service.

“We need to give residents a helping hand and not force them to do other things to get assistance from the state,” he said.
It's just making them give back to the community that they are receiving assistance from. Like getting paid for a job. Crazy how stuff like that works.
lepp1892 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 10:18 AM   #15
howell_jeep
Last Free Man
 
howell_jeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-09-06
Location: Howell Twp, MI 48836
Posts: 10,848
iTrader: (69)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

I love the drug testing but community service is bs. What if you're disabled and can't do any community service? What if you're a single mother, working and taking care of your kids? When are you supposed to do community service?
__________________
I SHOOT RAW!
---

Exercise your rights! Open Carry!
howell_jeep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 10:40 AM   #16
feva4u
LCG
 
feva4u's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-01-07
Location: Petoskey, MI
Posts: 10,468
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by howell_jeep View Post
I love the drug testing but community service is bs. What if you're disabled and can't do any community service? What if you're a single mother, working and taking care of your kids? When are you supposed to do community service?
If you can find time to spend your free money, you can find time to do community service. You can pick up trash pushing a stroller in a park
__________________
My Jeep
feva4u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 10:50 AM   #17
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 21,819
iTrader: (21)
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Default

Finally.
__________________
GLFWDA member since 1979.
Member Southern Michigan Rock Crawlers.
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 10:51 AM   #18
brewmenn
Grumpy old man.
 
brewmenn's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Inkster, MI
Posts: 10,513
iTrader: (9)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by howell_jeep View Post
I love the drug testing but community service is bs. What if you're disabled and can't do any community service? What if you're a single mother, working and taking care of your kids? When are you supposed to do community service?
I'm sure there will be exception. Community service could be lots of things, it isn't all physical labor. They could find something for everyone. Those with kids could bring them along and work at some type of community day care center, watching other peoples kids while they do other work or attend school.
brewmenn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 10:52 AM   #19
montecarlo33
The Violator
 
montecarlo33's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-23-07
Location: Otsego County 49735
Posts: 4,535
iTrader: (19)
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by feva4u View Post
If you can find time to spend your free money, you can find time to do community service. You can pick up trash pushing a stroller in a park
exactly. Single mothers don't usally send their kids to school at some point? I understand if they are infant, but you cant tell me someone who doesn't work, doesn't have time to do a few hours of community service. She just needs to put the remote control down if she cant find time. I also agree if you are on unemployment you should have to do drug tests, because how are you suppose to find a job if your dirty? That's right, you don't.
montecarlo33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2013, 11:10 AM   #20
TJJEEP
Senior Member
 
TJJEEP's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: Orchard Lake
Posts: 2,934
iTrader: (2)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to TJJEEP Send a message via MSN to TJJEEP
Default

It's about time there was some accountability for people. SOMETHING!

I believe the welfare system has a place. It is for the people who NEED it, not the people that want it. This will help get the system back to where it was supposed to be.
__________________
If you're like me you like to talk to things. I'm Gary Busey!!

Last edited by TJJEEP; September 19th, 2013 at 11:13 AM.
TJJEEP is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > Politics, Government, or Religion Chat

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:28 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Page generated in 0.27196 seconds with 81 queries