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Old September 18th, 2013, 09:24 AM   #41
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I was thinking fave cord when he said cord. I was gonna offer to deliver a bunch to him
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Old September 18th, 2013, 09:32 AM   #42
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Closer to 2500 for a descent pellet stove but generally from tsc you get a ton of pellets for <200.
I love my 800.00 Englander.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 09:38 AM   #43
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Good info everyone! Right now for me I think pellet heat sounds like a good way to go even though cost wise all options may be around the same.

If I heat on fuel oil only (my only heat source currently) I could estimate around 2 tank fills so $1600-$2000ish. 3 tons of TSC pellets at $5 a 40lb. bag is $750 before tax. Then buying a burner ($500-1500). Plus side for pellets would be easy install and overall use. I would love an outdoor wood boiler but the initial purchase, install into my current boiler system and sourcing enough wood is to much for this year.
So instead of looking long term, on a place you likely signed a 30 year mortgage. You are going to plan for only this winter? Especially as your estimate for a burner is a little low unless your going to buy a cheap POS.

Based on your estimate it would be almost a wash to heat with the fuel oil. Why not do that for this season and save the money toward the wood boiler for a long term use?
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Old September 18th, 2013, 10:24 AM   #44
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I made the mistake of buying cheap vent free logs from Home Depot to put in my fireplaces. After three years they are not burning properly and are producing soot on the walls.

Do this project once and buy a nice heater.

I am now ripping out that fireplace and installing a nice Napoleon fireplace.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 10:37 AM   #45
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So instead of looking long term, on a place you likely signed a 30 year mortgage. You are going to plan for only this winter? Especially as your estimate for a burner is a little low unless your going to buy a cheap POS.

Based on your estimate it would be almost a wash to heat with the fuel oil. Why not do that for this season and save the money toward the wood boiler for a long term use?
Stop That ^^^^^
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Old September 18th, 2013, 10:52 AM   #46
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I forgot logic is not allowed when talking to Andy.



It's not like it would ever get installed anyway, he will just drop it off at bigbchevy's house until his shop is in order in which the stove will be disassembled, placed on blocks and painted white.

He will then proceed to try and part out said stove until he realizes no one wants pieces from a disposable $500 stove. He will think about welding them up into a robot looking "Stove Man" as a decoration for his shop. He will use many of the unused jeep parts in this design, but this will also never get accomplished.

He will then sit in his armchair and think about scrapping the stove for some extra cash to pay the fuel oil bill. He won't do it though. He will however pick up a bar fly, and take pictures of her and himself in his thong will be visible on his mirrored wall and ceiling. he will post these to the SS forum.

It is at this point we will find he did not buy the house, his parents did and they have been paying for the fuel oil all along. It is at this point that his parents will tell them he has already spent his inheritance and there will be nothing left.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 01:24 PM   #47
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I forgot logic is not allowed when talking to Andy.



It's not like it would ever get installed anyway, he will just drop it off at bigbchevy's house until his shop is in order in which the stove will be disassembled, placed on blocks and painted white.

He will then proceed to try and part out said stove until he realizes no one wants pieces from a disposable $500 stove. He will think about welding them up into a robot looking "Stove Man" as a decoration for his shop. He will use many of the unused jeep parts in this design, but this will also never get accomplished.

He will then sit in his armchair and think about scrapping the stove for some extra cash to pay the fuel oil bill. He won't do it though. He will however pick up a bar fly, and take pictures of her and himself in his thong will be visible on his mirrored wall and ceiling. he will post these to the SS forum.

It is at this point we will find he did not buy the house, his parents did and they have been paying for the fuel oil all along. It is at this point that his parents will tell them he has already spent his inheritance and there will be nothing left.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 01:29 PM   #48
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He is quite the dreamer, isn't he?

In addition Jeepfreaks summary, there would be about 12 posts regarding input for every step of the way.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 02:08 PM   #49
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No natural gas, no one since '64 decided to have it installed. I've looked into getting gas installed, no clear info on how much for a 300' run off the road main.

I'll look more into direct venting

When I got natural gas ran to my house. it was 274 feet. It cost me $504 to run the line. I did the rest my self under my friends dads licence and him overseeing the project. The same friend that helped me had natural gas ran to his house at almost the same distance and it was $1100. He was North of Petoskey and I am in Alden. When I called the gas company (DTE) The $504 was exactly what they Quoted me. Did you happen to call the gas company for a Quote?
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Old September 18th, 2013, 03:11 PM   #50
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I forgot logic is not allowed when talking to Andy.



It's not like it would ever get installed anyway, he will just drop it off at bigbchevy's house until his shop is in order in which the stove will be disassembled, placed on blocks and painted white.

He will then proceed to try and part out said stove until he realizes no one wants pieces from a disposable $500 stove. He will think about welding them up into a robot looking "Stove Man" as a decoration for his shop. He will use many of the unused jeep parts in this design, but this will also never get accomplished.

He will then sit in his armchair and think about scrapping the stove for some extra cash to pay the fuel oil bill. He won't do it though. He will however pick up a bar fly, and take pictures of her and himself in his thong will be visible on his mirrored wall and ceiling. he will post these to the SS forum.

It is at this point we will find he did not buy the house, his parents did and they have been paying for the fuel oil all along. It is at this point that his parents will tell them he has already spent his inheritance and there will be nothing left.
That would be living the dream Right now I'm weighing all the options. If I did nothing and just used fuel oil that technically would be the most cost convenient as long as consumption is "constant", factoring in 2 fills for a season.

If it becomes 3 fills then its not cost convenient and that's not accounting in fuel oil cost fluctuations. Of course its not wise to spend dollars to save pennies and that's what I want to avoid, so ask questions and consider alternatives.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:26 PM   #51
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That would be living the dream Right now I'm weighing all the options. If I did nothing and just used fuel oil that technically would be the most cost convenient as long as consumption is "constant", factoring in 2 fills for a season.

If it becomes 3 fills then its not cost convenient and that's not accounting in fuel oil cost fluctuations. Of course its not wise to spend dollars to save pennies and that's what I want to avoid, so ask questions and consider alternatives.
I don't even know you....but do you even know what a pellet stove is?

Saying using fuel oil over anything is "cost convenient" is like saying that re-using a condom is cost convenient
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I don't even know you....but do you even know what a pellet stove is?

Saying using fuel oil over anything is "cost convenient" is like saying that re-using a condom is cost convenient
Who uses condoms? They cost to much
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I don't even know you....but do you even know what a pellet stove is?

Saying using fuel oil over anything is "cost convenient" is like saying that re-using a condom is cost convenient
http://www.efficiencymaine.com/at-ho...ating-options/ Cost comparison

When I filled my 250gal fuel oil tank in July it cost me almost $800, I think. If I go through 2 tanks that's $1600 in which I do nothing but prove a credit card number. Used pellet stove (burner) $800-1000 plus TSC pellets (3 ton =$750). Pellet stove requires minimal effort. That's close to being the same using math. Look at the cost comparison site above.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 07:12 PM   #54
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http://www.efficiencymaine.com/at-ho...ating-options/ Cost comparison

When I filled my 250gal fuel oil tank in July it cost me almost $800, I think. If I go through 2 tanks that's $1600 in which I do nothing but prove a credit card number. Used pellet stove (burner) $800-1000 plus TSC pellets (3 ton =$750). Pellet stove requires minimal effort. That's close to being the same using math. Look at the cost comparison site above.
Unless pellets went way up $250 a ton is waaaay high. Last year I think I paid $180 a ton.

Call the gas company and get a quote. If there is a valve in the main for your house it won't be expensive. It gets more expensive if the house was built after the line was put in and they have to do a hot tap on the gas line.
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Pellets are around 185.00 a ton still.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #56
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I was in TSC yesterday and looked at pellets seeing as I fucked uo and didnt preorder pellets this year. Fenton TSC has Pro Pellets for $200 a ton. This was the same as last year.

Ive ordered from a place uo north though that delivers for about the same price. Different brands can vary the price. Ive found some cheaper pellets that seem to be more ashy and bot give off as much heat. The Pro Pellet brand ive had real good luck with considering the price. Ive run some more expensive ones which were nice (hotter / less ash) but they were about $40 more a ton. I used less but it was marginal and didnt make up for the cost difference.
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I was in TSC yesterday and looked at pellets seeing as I fucked uo and didnt preorder pellets this year. Fenton TSC has Pro Pellets for $200 a ton. This was the same as last year.

Ive ordered from a place uo north though that delivers for about the same price. Different brands can vary the price. Ive found some cheaper pellets that seem to be more ashy and bot give off as much heat. The Pro Pellet brand ive had real good luck with considering the price. Ive run some more expensive ones which were nice (hotter / less ash) but they were about $40 more a ton. I used less but it was marginal and didnt make up for the cost difference.
X2 on the pros. If I can find somersets at Menards for 180 a ton I will snag a few ton of them also. Man I love burning the sets.
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X2 on the pros. If I can find somersets at Menards for 180 a ton I will snag a few ton of them also. Man I love burning the sets.
Yeah, I liked the Somersets too. They were actually the ones I was referring to when I mentioned the $240 a ton price. The only place I've found them was through the delivery place I mentioned (Greenstones) and they charged a premium for them. If Menards has them for that price then I'll be buying some!

Edit: I just did a search on their website to find a retailer. Nearest one to me is in Brown City at a "Do It" center.
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Harman makes a damn nice wood pellet stove. I have had the p38 for 3 years and have not had a single problem. Good luck


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Coming from someone who has only propane gas and a wood pellet stove, if I had natural gas 300 feet from my home, I would pay to have it hooked up and sell my stove. Yes it is sorta nice but a PITA. You will save way more $$$ with gas
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