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Old September 12th, 2013, 08:28 AM   #21
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I have a Nest. No complaints. I don't know if it actually saved me money, but it certainly makes me more conscientious about tweaking things to attempt to save. I don't have much interest in actually computing what my savings are.

Only issue I've had with is thus far is that the wifi on my last unit died after more than a year. The customer service was great and I had a new unit in the mail after 2 days to replace it. I have a first gen, which I think has a 3 year warranty... the 2nd gens have at least a year less of warranty - fair warning.
Do you have animals? I have 2 dog's and wonder if that would keep it from thinking I am not home during the day.
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If you leave the house at 7am and leave your AC on at 70 all day, and it is 90 out, it will cost about double (with average insulation ratings in houses) opposed to having the AC turn on one time around 4pm to cool it down before you arrive home at 4:30 It's also much easier on your AC compressor for a constant run compared to cycling on and off every 15 minutes while you are gone.
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Old September 12th, 2013, 09:44 AM   #23
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Do you also have that tiered rate where it's cheaper on nights and weekends and they put it in your ass on "emergency days" or whatever?
I do have the tiered pricing, but not interruptable service. When they offered me the tiered pricing for the electric I sat down and did the math and it would be a pretty good savings if nobody is home during the day and that has proven true over the past couple springs and summers when my wife and daughter are usually gone or outside, but during the winters it does cost a bit more for electric since they are home more to watch TV, use lights, etc. Overall, through the past 2.5 years that I've had the system and the tiered pricing, I've saved about 10% off of my electric bill compared to the previous 2.5 years. And for those first couple of years, there was never anybody home during the day Monday-Friday.

They offered me the interruptable service and it would have saved me a bit more on the rate that they charge me per KwH but I didn't want that. I figure if it's 100 outside and my wife or I are stuck inside with a toddler, the last thing we want is DTE remotely shutting off our AC! If we didn't have the toddler or we were both always gone during the day, I probably would have signed up for the interruptable service as well. However, my tiered pricing does include higher rates during the days/times when there are "Critical Peak Days" which is usually when it is really hot. But those only last for a couple hours on those days and I've never noticed a significant increase in the overall bill for the months that have many of those.


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Do you have animals? I have 2 dog's and wonder if that would keep it from thinking I am not home during the day.
I don't have Nest, but I would be interested to know that too. That's an interesting question.
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Old September 12th, 2013, 09:45 AM   #24
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If you leave the house at 7am and leave your AC on at 70 all day, and it is 90 out, it will cost about double (with average insulation ratings in houses) opposed to having the AC turn on one time around 4pm to cool it down before you arrive home at 4:30 It's also much easier on your AC compressor for a constant run compared to cycling on and off every 15 minutes while you are gone.
My A/C hasn't worked in years, don't really miss it. I put a window A/C in the bedroom for the really sticky nights.

The old house was small enough that if I turned it on when I got home, the house was cool in about 15 minutes.
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I will confess to tweaking thermostat from KY last night just to mess with my wide...
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No, iOS autocorrect on bumpy shuttle bus between Toyota plant and suppliers.

I raise the temp to mess with her, however.

It's old people fun - Jim would understand.
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Old September 12th, 2013, 04:33 PM   #28
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Do you have animals? I have 2 dog's and wonder if that would keep it from thinking I am not home during the day.
Yea, I have a puggle. It probably depends where your thermostat is located, how large your dog is, and how lazy your dog is.

Auto-Away works quite well for me. It even turns on sometimes when I'm at home (which can be irritating at times), if I'm not walking around much.
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Old September 12th, 2013, 07:42 PM   #29
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I think mine varies about 4* max. I turn it down (or up in the summer) about 10* if I am going to be gone for more than 48 hours. How can you prove this, did you save all of the data from temperature, wind direction, exact indoor temperature, exact light bulb vs heating useage, exact gas useage per appliance, etc?

Certainly I am giving you a bit of a hard time, but its hard to calculate what actually saved you money on your utilities month to month....
It's a general estimation, not an exact calculation. I track all bills and everything else with financial software. After we bought and installed the unit monthly bills went down for both gas and electric. When we had a mild summer without the unit, our electric bill would be way over $100. Even during the few hot summers we had with the programmable unit, we have never peaked $100. Similar numbers with gas during peak months.

Did I compare kw hour cost. No.

Did I compare gas cost. Nope.

Am I going to just to prove you wrong they saved me money? No.

I will say that if you simply manually adjust a thermostat before going to bed, when you get home, when you leave, etc. it will probably achieve the same effect. If you have a steady schedule, a programmable thermostat is just a nice luxury to help.

Everyone is different, and every house is different. We live in a 1400 sq. ft. condo plus basement with a unit on each side of us. The place itself is relatively energy efficient, except for shitty windows. I could see a large house possibly requiring more energy to re-cool the house instead of just keeping it cool and maintaining it.
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Did I compare kw hour cost. No.

Did I compare gas cost. Nope.

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I have the radio thermostat... It's basically programmed to keep the house 72* all year round but depending on if summer or winter... I'll adjust it on the way home... Or a few hours before... Love it also cause it also tells me if I lost power/cummincation to my house...
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I'm just saying what he said is totally pointless, he was basing the savings off of total cost which has nothing to do with fluid cost and a fluid consumption, when he could have easily logged into DTE and pulled up a two year chart of his usage vs heating/cooling days to find an average.


It's the equivalent of me saying I normally spend $100 a week on diesel, but last week it was $700. Forgetting to tell people I drove to Tampa and back.
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I'm just saying what he said is totally pointless, he was basing the savings off of total cost which has nothing to do with fluid cost and a fluid consumption, when he could have easily logged into DTE and pulled up a two year chart of his usage vs heating/cooling days to find an average.


It's the equivalent of me saying I normally spend $100 a week on diesel, but last week it was $700 then forgetting to tell people I drove to Tampa and back.
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I'm just saying what he said is totally pointless, he was basing the savings off of total cost which has nothing to do with fluid cost and a fluid consumption, when he could have easily logged into DTE and pulled up a two year chart of his usage vs heating/cooling days to find an average.


It's the equivalent of me saying I normally spend $100 a week on diesel, but last week it was $700. Forgetting to tell people I drove to Tampa and back.
I do run a business. Sorry I didn't feel like doing a bunch of research just to make a internet post here, and how that's relevant to me running a business is beyond me. I made a simple post that what is coming out of my bank account to cover utilities seems to be less after installing a programmable thermostat. I didn't do all the research of the costs, usages, and everything else behind it because I really don't give a shit. Just sharing an observation which I stated I didn't do the homework on. Sorry that I failed the internet, communication, life and disappointed everyone here.
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I have always been a believer in keeping a fairly steady temperature in your house, the ups and downs make your systems work pretty hard to re-establish your temperatures.

I only vary my thermostat by a few degrees day/night. I do however turn it down if I will be away from the house for a few days.

This. I live in a semi detatched and my neighbour has a 2bedroom where I have a 3bedroom. There is two of them. I live alone. All summer their hydro bills were 2x mine. Last month with ac set to 75. No adjusting I paid $94, the wife said hers was $200+. I wanna say they adjust theirs.

Mine is a programmable one but I just set it to 68/69 in winter and 75 in summer. I do know they don't have as many energy efficient appliances as I do.
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