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Old September 12th, 2013, 05:57 PM   #1
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It looks like everybody is safe,(Nuggets,Bloomule,Sova and the like) according to the Pope.
I would think Jesus has something totally different to say about this issue. Actually He did, "no man can come to the Father except through Me(Jesus)"

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Old September 12th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #2
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Hey, gotta believe him, cuz He's a da freakin Pope!
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Old September 12th, 2013, 06:20 PM   #3
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I'm starting to like this guy even more. He's way more better than the Nazi.
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The beast (Greek: Θηρίον, Thērion) may refer to two beasts described in the Book of Revelation. The first beast comes from "out of the sea" and is given authority and power by the dragon. This first beast is initially mentioned in Revelation 11:7 as coming out of the abyss. His appearance is described in detail in Revelation 13:1-10, and some of the mystery behind his appearance is revealed in Revelation 17:7-18. The second beast comes from "out of the earth" and directs all peoples of the earth to worship the first beast. The second beast is described in Revelation 13:11-18 and is also referred to as the false prophet. The two beasts are aligned with the dragon in opposition to God. They persecute Christians and influence the kings of the earth to gather for the battle of Armageddon.[1] The two beasts are defeated by Christ and are thrown into the lake of fire mentioned in Revelation 19:18-20.

Futurism is an interpretation of the book of Revelation which sees that the symbols refer to particular persons and events in the future. This view recognizes that the book refers to itself as a prophecy[55] and that it contains references to events that are clearly future, most notably the return of Christ. This viewpoint is adopted by Dispensationalism and has become deeply rooted in American Evangelical churches.[56]

Futurism interprets the beast from the sea to represent a revived Roman empire that will oppose Christians in the last days. Futurists would admit the symbolic ties to Rome and would interpret that the recovery from the fatal head wound would refer to a revival of this empire in the last days. It is usually understood that this revived empire will be ruled by the Antichrist, though some refer to the beast as the Antichrist. Futurist scholars, such as John Walvoord, identify this beast not as the individual ruler but as the revived Roman empire, noting that the reference to Rome's seven hills and the connection to the beasts in Daniel seven indicate that the beast represents a kingdom.[57]

Futurism interprets the beast from the earth, or false prophet, as the future head of the apostate church or as a future expression of false religion in general.[58]
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Old September 12th, 2013, 07:18 PM   #6
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wow, the pope actually gets it
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Old September 12th, 2013, 09:10 PM   #7
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Although, if you are really an atheist you shouldn't care.
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The Pope also told thousands of crusaders to kill in the name of God.

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are you saying that popes are fallible?
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Old September 13th, 2013, 12:04 PM   #11
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are you saying that popes are fallible?
I just made the assumption because he's a human.


Per the book that he believes in, there is only one man that was perfect. His name is Jesus and you don't have to be Roman Catholic to accept his gift of Eternal life.

There have been countless examples that show that the RC church (as well as the universal church) is fallible and very easily corruptible. I mentioned the Crusades as one HUGE one. I would say that on the protestant side you have the Westboro Baptists.

In Matthew, Jesus talks about being the only way into heaven. Nothing about conscience. There are plentiful examples in the bible where this idea is confirmed and repeated.

The pope mentions the mercy of God as if it will protect everybody. There are very view, if any, verses to back that up in Scripture. There are plenty of examples of where that mercy is shown through Jesus Christ.

Ultimately, I couldn't tell you if he's right or not. Our culture, and apparently a majority of the planet's, would love to think that God is just going to let everybody in. Which brings up another question "does that mean EVERYBODY or just the 'good' people?" How do we define who is 'good'?

Does anybody see a problem with this? Either murders, child molesters, cerel killers, rapists etc; will also enter or we'll have this gray line of 'a good person'.

God already set that line. It's perfection. And that's where the mercy and Grace steps in. God sent his son, the only man to obtain perfection, to sacrifice himself so that our imperfection would be permanently atoned (paid) for and we would be made perfect through Christ's blood.

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There is only one Truth, one Life to the Father and that is by Jesus Christ.
You cannot get to heaven by your own good will or deeds.
The Pope has this one wrong, scripture is quite clear.
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Does anybody see a problem with this? Either murders, child molesters, cerel killers, rapists etc; will also enter or we'll have this gray line of 'a good person'.
But under the "a ya gotta do is believe" plan they get in if they believe in Jesus.
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But under the "a ya gotta do is believe" plan they get in if they believe in Jesus.
Yup. God's mercy is given to us by Jesus. Not by our Good deeds.
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God THE FATHER loves us, and wants to be with us for eternity. To that end, HE has even given the ultimate sacrifice of HIS SON to wash away all the evil sin we have let tarnish our souls. Yet some would rather embrace the stains on their soul, then love their FATHER.

This is the message of Jesus and the gospel. It's all about God's love for us, and how you can remove the sin on your soul.
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God THE FATHER loves us, and wants to be with us for eternity. To that end, HE has even given the ultimate sacrifice of HIS SON to wash away all the evil sin we have let tarnish our souls. Yet some would rather embrace the stains on their soul, then love their FATHER.

This is the message of Jesus and the gospel. It's all about God's love for us, and how you can remove the sin on your soul.
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I just made the assumption because he's a human.


Per the book that he believes in, there is only one man that was perfect. His name is Jesus and you don't have to be Roman Catholic to accept his gift of Eternal life.

There have been countless examples that show that the RC church (as well as the universal church) is fallible and very easily corruptible. I mentioned the Crusades as one HUGE one. I would say that on the protestant side you have the Westboro Baptists.

In Matthew, Jesus talks about being the only way into heaven. Nothing about conscience. There are plentiful examples in the bible where this idea is confirmed and repeated.

The pope mentions the mercy of God as if it will protect everybody. There are very view, if any, verses to back that up in Scripture. There are plenty of examples of where that mercy is shown through Jesus Christ.

Ultimately, I couldn't tell you if he's right or not. Our culture, and apparently a majority of the planet's, would love to think that God is just going to let everybody in. Which brings up another question "does that mean EVERYBODY or just the 'good' people?" How do we define who is 'good'?

Does anybody see a problem with this? Either murders, child molesters, cerel killers, rapists etc; will also enter or we'll have this gray line of 'a good person'.

God already set that line. It's perfection. And that's where the mercy and Grace steps in. God sent his son, the only man to obtain perfection, to sacrifice himself so that our imperfection would be permanently atoned (paid) for and we would be made perfect through Christ's blood.
While I agree with you, this pope has made great strides to not make his term be an "Us vs. Them" term. The Vatican's approach under Pope Benedict appeared to be push them around the globe so far they come full circle and join the church. IMHO that's not message you want to say. This is the first pope, that I remember (John Paul, Benedict, Francis), that actually professes that he loves the masses, not just Catholics. He, in my view, is expressing that he loves the masses, even if they are considered undesirables by the church, the same why his messiah would.

IMHO this is a good direction to be heading. It will be the thing that makes people come back to the church.
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While I agree with you, this pope has made great strides to not make his term be an "Us vs. Them" term. The Vatican's approach under Pope Benedict appeared to be push them around the globe so far they come full circle and join the church. IMHO that's not message you want to say. This is the first pope, that I remember (John Paul, Benedict, Francis), that actually professes that he loves the masses, not just Catholics. He, in my view, is expressing that he loves the masses, even if they are considered undesirables by the church, the same why his messiah would.

IMHO this is a good direction to be heading. It will be the thing that makes people come back to the church.
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Yep, gotta get people back to the church to get the money rolling in.
I wasn't going to be that cynical. More of the if you want to make friends you can't be pushing them away.
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While I agree with you, this pope has made great strides to not make his term be an "Us vs. Them" term. The Vatican's approach under Pope Benedict appeared to be push them around the globe so far they come full circle and join the church. IMHO that's not message you want to say. This is the first pope, that I remember (John Paul, Benedict, Francis), that actually professes that he loves the masses, not just Catholics. He, in my view, is expressing that he loves the masses, even if they are considered undesirables by the church, the same why his messiah would.

IMHO this is a good direction to be heading. It will be the thing that makes people come back to the church.
I'm all for modernizing things, but you can't dilute the gospel by saying everyone can get in when the proprietor of the faith says completely opposite.

But, I defiantly think it's a step in the right direction, he just may have gone a bit too far in that certain direction.
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