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Old September 11th, 2013, 02:15 PM   #61
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Old September 11th, 2013, 05:55 PM   #62
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I would certainly NEVER retrofit an existing house for GeoThermal, espescially 3 seasons after I paid $10k to hook up an outdoor wood burner.

Hancho, I've said it a million times, you have 10 acres, half of which you never even use, go way out back, plant a bunch of hybrid poplars, make a nice trail down the middle, and feed your wood burner for free and stop chasing wood all over the world. The infrastructure is there, just use it to your advantage.

Or, spend $30k on a geothermal unit and pay it off in 15 years of use.
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This probably makes the most sense.

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Old September 11th, 2013, 06:46 PM   #63
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Dont bother, just assume it is rong. Just like the posts in this thread and the decision to switch to geothermal.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:15 PM   #64
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we have the envision series from water furance now. Replaced an older phillips in 08. Its a open loop ,discharge back in the river. It heats and cools about 2300 sq feet. We avg about 175. a month power bill. We have 2 meters and one is 1/2 price because of the geo. Thats with 5 tvs 3-4 laptops several tablets and what not. 4 people and we have a guest house thats about 1000 sq on the same bill with 2 freezers. All of our appliances are engery star and help keep the bill lower. i would never use anything but geo if I had a choice.
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We put an open loop system in our existing home a few years ago. But, before it could pay for itself we got divorced. It was a great selling point though. I calculated it would pay for itself in about 6-7 years, but that was going from using propane. We used our existing water well and it cost about $12,000 installed. Closed loops and extra wells are where the $20k quotes come from. I would definitely do it again.
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we have the envision series from water furance now. Replaced an older phillips in 08. Its a open loop ,discharge back in the river. It heats and cools about 2300 sq feet. We avg about 175. a month power bill. We have 2 meters and one is 1/2 price because of the geo. Thats with 5 tvs 3-4 laptops several tablets and what not. 4 people and we have a guest house thats about 1000 sq on the same bill with 2 freezers. All of our appliances are engery star and help keep the bill lower. i would never use anything but geo if I had a choice.
Open loop, how often do you have the water coil cleaned? usually that is where the minerals deposit during the cooling season.

Closed loops are the way to go if you can afford the install cost but they will require maintenance by a qualified tech, Joe the furnace guy isn't gonna cut it.
Ask your bidding contractors about jobs they have done and customers that you could contact.
Also contact the manufacture of the equipment that your looking to buy and ask who their preferred contractor is in the area, they will know based on warranty claims who the problem contractors are.

3 years ago I installed a 2 stage 90+ furnace with ecm drive blower and air to air heat pump. It changes from heat pump to gas heat at 34 degrees outside, the last couple mild winters have been great.
I won't try to compare any kind of energy usage due to all the variables but I've been very happy.
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I'll buy the wood burner for $3000.
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I did not meet you until the winter of 07-08, you did not have an outdoor wood boiler when I met you. You got it the following winter.

Posted August 2008. Meaning you did not use your heater until the 08-09 Season, you have heated for 4 seasons, not 5. This would be your 5th.

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If the unit was installed in August of 08, then he would be going on his 6th season. 08/09, 09/10, 10/11, 11/12, 12/13, and now his 6th season 13/14.
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Depending on heating costs this winter (fuel oil), I want to get one next year.

Seeing how my house has hydronic heating an outdoor wood boiler would be a simple install into the system.
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Depending on heating costs this winter (fuel oil), I want to get one next year.

Seeing how my house has hydronic heating a boiler would be a simple install into the system.
Hire it out. Seriously.
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Hire it out. Seriously.
Did I say I'd be installing it?
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Is a geothermal power one of those "finer things in life" you keep talking about?
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Is a geothermal power one of those "finer things in life" you keep talking about?
Heat transfer is a new status of ballin'
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Old September 12th, 2013, 01:34 PM   #76
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If the unit was installed in August of 08, then he would be going on his 6th season. 08/09, 09/10, 10/11, 11/12, 12/13, and now his 6th season 13/14.
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ill take that as a deposit...come up with the other 2k when you want to pick it up. I'll include the heat exchangers with that price including the garage heater
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Depending on heating costs this winter (fuel oil), I want to get one next year.

Seeing how my house has hydronic heating an outdoor wood boiler would be a simple install into the system.
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Did I say I'd be installing it?

This kind of implies that you would be installing it yourself.


It's always a simple install when you pay someone else to do the work and that also means it will actually get done
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Old September 12th, 2013, 02:27 PM   #78
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Installed geo into my home last year in March and love it. Highest electrical bill I have had was about 480 but only because I had no siding or wrapping on my home since it was being redone. Also, heating 5500sq ft and have many large windows and doorwalls.

Parents replaced their gas unit in the fall last year and have been saving money since they installed. Both myself and parents already needed new AC unit and furnace so it just made sense financially to go geo. Large upfront cost but pays off quickly.

If you have your own excavator out backhoe you can dig out the closed loop yourself saving a large chunk if money.

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If the unit was installed in August of 08, then he would be going on his 6th season. 08/09, 09/10, 10/11, 11/12, 12/13, and now his 6th season 13/14.
I hate when I suck at math

I also can't believe I have known hancho that long....disgusting.
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I also can't believe I have known hancho that long....disgusting.
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