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Old September 9th, 2013, 10:31 PM   #1
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Just testing the waters to see what kind of interest there would be in a offroad park in the kalamazoo area? Strictly a question right now just to see if it would be worth pursuing. Any pros or cons would be great.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 06:16 AM   #2
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Take a look at the Oxford ORV park thread in the pub and in the Rules, Regulations, and Park Chat sections. That should give you a decent idea as to what problems you would be facing. I also think a park near Kzoo exists, Kids in The Mud?

I think I can make a pretty safe statement here and say that any LEGAL wheeling spot is supported by members here.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 06:18 AM   #3
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Take a look at the Oxford ORV park thread in the pub and in the Rules, Regulations, and Park Chat sections. That should give you a decent idea as to what problems you would be facing. I also think a park near Kzoo exists, Kids in The Mud?

I think I can make a pretty safe statement here and say that any LEGAL wheeling spot is supported by members here.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 06:50 AM   #5
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Hopefully your offroad park doesn't require any township hearings where members of the wheeling community have to come out and try to support it...
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Old September 10th, 2013, 06:50 AM   #6
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And there is the kicker right there....
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Old September 10th, 2013, 06:53 AM   #7
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Kids in the Mudd doesn't offer anything to a full size user. If you are thinking of enticing the full size user group, you need obstacles to challenge them, and elevation changes. A few trails cut in a flat field wont net users past one visit. I do believe something in the Kalamazoo/grand rapids area could be profitable if done right. I believe the user group is large enough in this area to support such a venture. Silver lake doesn't off much, r and v-bundy-twisted-mounds-attica-turtle ridge-cliffs are all multiple hours away. I can personally say if something closer was to be had that could scratch an itch on a boring day, I would frequent often.

There was a piece of property on the westside that Ctor frequented often to scratch such an itch. It wasn't huge, but had a couple obstacles that could make for a fun afternoon. It didnt replace the other parks. But made for a nice day or half day trip.

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Old September 10th, 2013, 07:47 AM   #8
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Lots of interest
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Old September 10th, 2013, 08:06 AM   #9
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I don't think anybody on this forum is ever going to tell you to not try to make an offroad park.

As MZJG puts it, "if you build it, they will come"

schwing, Party on.

If I might add any recommendations:

1. property size- the bigger the better
2. diversification- if all you have is flat mud, it's gonna be boring. also, if all you have are hill climbs, its gonna get boring. if all you have is hardcore, the casual wheeler isn't going to come, and everybody is just gonna break shit (unless you're a 1%er)
3. MAIN TRAILS- if you don't have main trails and/or good trail marking techniques, it's gonna get annoying and confusing to people. Twisted would benefit greatly by having a main loop like R&V. The mounds isn't so bad, but they could use some trail marking for the main trails in the back... and hopefully keeps the BDMT from digging holes in them.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 08:18 AM   #10
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There are 2 ski resorts between Kzoo and GR who have large acreage, knowledge of liability insurance, and parking/amenities locally. Food for thought.
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There are 2 ski resorts between Kzoo and GR who have large acreage, knowledge of liability insurance, and parking/amenities locally. Food for thought.
Sounds like how R&V operates to my knowledge, correct?
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I would sport it.
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Sounds like how R&V operates to my knowledge, correct?
This is correct, the owners of the property have Snowsnake mountain and a golf course.
R&V is who you should try to copy. The trails are always nice and fresh because the rangers do a lot of maintenance on them. They have also been more than willing to make the trails more challenging as people adapt their rigs to them. A small group of 4-5 rigs can run all day there without doing the same trail twice, although if I've got time i always like to hit Python more than once. That is on 200 acres of property, more would be better, so you have room to expand.
I think you'll find there is a huge base of wheelers in the area that are starved for a local place to go.
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I agree with above
If it was a quality park I would frequent it
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Thanks for the great input guys. I've been kicking the idea around for awhile now and wondered if anyone else felt the same. Now to see if it would even be possible. Ill update if there are any updates :)
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