Masons...brick layers question about Mortar and humidity - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest

Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > The Pub
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino

The Pub A friendly forum where everybody is nice, and will answer any questions you have about life.

greatlakes4x4.com is the premier Great Lakes 4x4 Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old August 30th, 2013, 07:02 AM   #1
grandcherokee
I am woman,hear me moan!
 
grandcherokee's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-10-05
Location: Eaton Rapids, MI
Posts: 1,278
iTrader: (19)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via Yahoo to grandcherokee
Default Masons...brick layers question about Mortar and humidity

I am about to do Ledgestone all around a my front porch... I was wondering with this frickin high humidity is there anything special that I should add to my mix?

Tarpaper and mesh is up and I am at the scratchcoat stage ...also.will 12 hours be enough to set the scratchcoat before I start my stone?
__________________
1994 YJ
1993 XJ
1994 XJ

2000 Grand Cherokee
2002 Chevy Silverado
2008 Liberty


Last edited by grandcherokee; August 30th, 2013 at 07:43 AM. Reason: Spellin
grandcherokee is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old August 30th, 2013, 07:23 AM   #2
MonkeyBiz
Master Cocksman
 
MonkeyBiz's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Whitehall
Posts: 8,407
iTrader: (10)
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Send a message via Yahoo to MonkeyBiz
Default

Umm.. Bananana
__________________
In bed, according to prophesy.
MonkeyBiz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 30th, 2013, 09:08 AM   #3
busyfixin
Balls Deep
 
busyfixin's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-24-06
Location: williamsburg, MI
Posts: 3,221
iTrader: (11)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

I know that the biggest similarity between a fat lady and a brick, is that sooner or later, they will both get laid by a Mexican. Does this help in any way?
busyfixin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 30th, 2013, 11:41 AM   #4
welderboyjk
Senior Member
 
Join Date: 05-18-11
Location: Southwest, Mi
Posts: 135
iTrader: (0)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

I'm not a pro but have done a little work of my own. Concrete cures by hydration not "drying". The heat may speed up the process a little but the humidity may keep your mud "fresh" a little longer. If you've got to retemper your mud IIRC you can only do it once. Then toss the batch. I've done a LOT of block (think house basement and 28*48*12 shop all 10" block) but I've not done brick....yet.
Wondering with the stone if you have to wet it like your supposed to with brick. From what I recall reading before doing my projects block was fine to lay up dry but brick would suck too much moisture out of the mortar too quickly and it wouldn't set properly. A quick mist with a hose was recommended. I've no idea but thought I'd mention it.
welderboyjk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 30th, 2013, 03:51 PM   #5
yyj87
Senior Member
 
yyj87's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-10-10
Location: Traverse city(Silver Lake)
Posts: 1,671
iTrader: (1)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by welderboyjk View Post
I'm not a pro but have done a little work of my own. Concrete cures by hydration not "drying". The heat may speed up the process a little but the humidity may keep your mud "fresh" a little longer. If you've got to retemper your mud IIRC you can only do it once. Then toss the batch. I've done a LOT of block (think house basement and 28*48*12 shop all 10" block) but I've not done brick....yet.
Wondering with the stone if you have to wet it like your supposed to with brick. From what I recall reading before doing my projects block was fine to lay up dry but brick would suck too much moisture out of the mortar too quickly and it wouldn't set properly. A quick mist with a hose was recommended. I've no idea but thought I'd mention it.
This!

Slow cure is good! Do not add water & remix , bad news! Mix Small batches. We used to soak the stones/bricks in a wheelbarrow for 10-15 min. Try to eliminate as much of the air trapped behind/under as possible and keep your tool clean!
yyj87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 30th, 2013, 03:53 PM   #6
concreteguy82
Yeah Buddy!!
 
concreteguy82's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-01-11
Location: Clio, Michigan
Posts: 2,969
iTrader: (4)
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by welderboyjk View Post
I'm not a pro but have done a little work of my own. Concrete cures by hydration not "drying". The heat may speed up the process a little but the humidity may keep your mud "fresh" a little longer. If you've got to retemper your mud IIRC you can only do it once. Then toss the batch. I've done a LOT of block (think house basement and 28*48*12 shop all 10" block) but I've not done brick....yet.
Wondering with the stone if you have to wet it like your supposed to with brick. From what I recall reading before doing my projects block was fine to lay up dry but brick would suck too much moisture out of the mortar too quickly and it wouldn't set properly. A quick mist with a hose was recommended. I've no idea but thought I'd mention it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by yyj87 View Post
This!

Slow cure is good! Do not add water & remix , bad news! Mix Small batches. We used to soak the stones/bricks in a wheelbarrow for 10-15 min. Try to eliminate as much of the air trapped behind/under as possible and keep your tool clean!
Spot on.
concreteguy82 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 30th, 2013, 03:55 PM   #7
High Center Hancho
rack tap re-rack click
 
High Center Hancho's Avatar
 
Join Date: 07-10-07
Location: Genesee County
Posts: 13,052
iTrader: (40)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by concreteguy82 View Post
Spot on.
using your screen name as a guide, I would listen to you on this subject before anyone else
High Center Hancho is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 30th, 2013, 06:32 PM   #8
welderboyjk
Senior Member
 
Join Date: 05-18-11
Location: Southwest, Mi
Posts: 135
iTrader: (0)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

I'd never re-wet regular concrete but IIRC you could retemper mortar one time only. If your mixed batch is a little too big then stir it occasionally and it won't "set" quite so quick.
BTW I always found when mixing mortar when you think it's almost right but you need just a touch more water just mix a little more and it'll probably be spot on. But then again I mixed all mine by hand in a wheelbarrow with a hoe. My gosh WTH was I thinking???? Guess I was trying to save a buck by not having to rent a real mortar mixer LOL
welderboyjk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 30th, 2013, 06:48 PM   #9
Nuggets
I fix stuff!
 
Nuggets's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-15-06
Location: Bay City, MI
Posts: 13,429
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by yyj87 View Post

Keep your tool clean!
Good advice for brick work or life in general.
Nuggets is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 30th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #10
Silver Bullet
Livin the American Dream
 
Silver Bullet's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-18-07
Location: Westland, MI
Posts: 3,762
iTrader: (4)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

My masons start at the top and work down when doing ledge or field stone to keep the stone below clean.
Silver Bullet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 30th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #11
yyj87
Senior Member
 
yyj87's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-10-10
Location: Traverse city(Silver Lake)
Posts: 1,671
iTrader: (1)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Bullet View Post
My masons start at the top and work down when doing ledge or field stone to keep the stone below clean.
Also..... to answer the original question.

Humidity= good

Heat = bad
yyj87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > The Pub

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:35 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright 2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Page generated in 0.23479 seconds with 54 queries