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Old August 11th, 2013, 05:57 PM   #21
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That's bull.

If something did create the universe, and has a purpose for it's created, you're saying that it's created should be able to say "you're wrong" to said Creator because they think so? Do you see the flawed thinking in that? That paragraph was a nice way of saying "if you're not for him, your against him". He has every right to declare what is right and wrong because he created everything.
I'm not saying that that belief is wrong. What I'm saying is that if it is your belief that any idea that is not 100% in line with what is written in the Bible is evil, there is no room for further discussion on the subject. You have drawn a line which you will not cross.

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Personally, I don't care if you believe in either Creationism or Evolution. I think both can be used to point to God. I also don't see evolution as against God. Do I accept Marco evolution? No. I don't.

I found this video interesting because it tested the people's mind on what they knew or didn't. It also showed to them that there is an amount of faith involved in even science. Unless you're the actual scientist, you're taking the information with faith that the person did the proper work. Which, IMO, is no different then taking the word of God with faith that those that wrote it were writing it for the purpose of showing God's story.
That was already my opinion on the matter. Belief in anything requires some faith.
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"In 2013, a phylogenetic analysis that includes also the basal primate Archicebus positions Plesiadapis firmly outside of the Primates, as a sister group to both Primates and Dermoptera."

Awesome, so our closest non-primate relative is a flying squirrel. No wonder Rocky was so smart... kind of makes you question the validity of that "science", especially since from a genetic position we are more closely related to pigs than sugargliders.
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"In 2013, a phylogenetic analysis that includes also the basal primate Archicebus positions Plesiadapis firmly outside of the Primates, as a sister group to both Primates and Dermoptera."

Awesome, so our closest non-primate relative is a flying squirrel. No wonder Rocky was so smart... kind of makes you question the validity of that "science", especially since from a genetic position we are more closely related to pigs than sugargliders.
Do you have proof of that? From a physical standpoint I think we're more similar to squirrels than pigs.
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Eric M Walters, Eckhard Wolf, Jeffery J Whyte, et al. (2012). Completion of the swine genome will simplify the production of swine as a large animal biomedical model. BMC Med Genomics; 5: 55.

"The swine genome is comprised of 18 autosomes and 2 sex chromosomes (X and Y chromosomes) and is estimated to be 2.7 Gb. The pig genome is ~7% smaller than the human, while the mouse and dog genomes are 14% smaller. In addition to the similarity in size of genome, there is extensive homology of the swine genome to the human. On a nucleotide level swine are 3x more similar to humans than mice are to humans [34]. On average the synteny blocks of swine-human are farther down the phylogenetic tree than the mouse or dog [34]. Since there are larger syntenic blocks between swine and humans, positional cloning from the pig is generally straightforward and local regulatory interactions between enhancer regions are more likely conserved."
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but pigs can't fly and well, squirrels can
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Do you have proof of that? From a physical standpoint I think we're more similar to squirrels than pigs.
What is funny, is that it is this type of "science" that has you convinced to be an atheist. I am not trying to change your mind, I just find it funny that you think it is more possible that we are squirrels than there is a God.
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More possible to evolve from mammals over millions of years vs a story about the walking dead and making a channel through a sea by wishing it........seems legit.
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Even the military sees an issue with people not blindly following a story from many moons ago. Something about self preservation instict not being washed out enough to follow orders. Common themes, controlling the people and getting them to do things that no rational person would normally do. Religion=war, war=bad, put 2 and 2 together. This is purely hypothetical though, I don't have a phd or license to practice any of the things commented on above.

Bill O’Reilly comments.
"Alright look, here’s the deal: If soldiers start subscribing to atheism, then they are less likely to go into battle, it’s that simple.
We need to keep service members believing that they go to an eternal pleasureland when they die, alright. They might think twice about signing up if they don’t think heaven exists. Atheism is just a ruse by the secular-progressives to destroy America."

Well, that confirms a purpose of religion is more effective war. So much for Jesus is love!

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Thomas Edison:
The Wizard of Menlo Park is surely one of the greatest inventors of all time, and has long been considered an American icon. But rarely mentioned alongside the incandescent bulb is Edison's philosophical skepticism. Decades before the Supreme Court decided Abington School District v. Schempp, Edison was well aware of the danger posed by indoctrination of young minds.

He said, "The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age, and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them. Incurably religious; That is the best way to describe the mental condition of so many people. Incurably religious."

Edison, one of America's greatest scientists and foremost thinkers, keenly recognized the danger of teaching superstition as fact. "I do not believe that any type of religion should ever be introduced into the public schools of the United States." One hundred years later, we are still fighting Christians who insist their superstitions should be treated as fact, and added to textbooks under the guise of "religious freedom." Suffice it to say that Edison was aware of problems that would linger in the American consciousness long after his light went out.

If any doubt remains, Edison, who was a great admirer of 19th century skeptic Robert G. Ingersoll, could be very blunt when necessary.

"So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake ... Religion is all bunk."
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Old August 14th, 2013, 07:48 AM   #29
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My family came from piles of ashes and dust. When we die, that's what we turn back into.

Here's a picture of me right before I was born:
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More possible to evolve from mammals over millions of years vs a story about the walking dead and making a channel through a sea by wishing it........seems legit.
Like I said, I am not using that example to try to convince anyone that they are wrong, I just find it funny that it is this type of theory that has him convinced there is no God.
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False.

Can't be, that's not what the bible says.
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Can't be, that's not what the bible says.
Thank you for providing a perfect example of misunderstanding the text by taking something out of context.

God formed man by his own hand using the dust of the earth. He also told Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply. Near the end of the whole 'garden of eden' debacle he told them that child bearing would be painful.

If you making the assumption that the bible says we are reproduced by dust, then you're not reading it. IF it did imply that, God would have told eve it would be painful to form dust and breath life into it.

Not to mention the countless times in the OT laws that it talks about spilling the mans seed.

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The bible has nothing about gravity either, yet I still believe it's there. WE get the point. Really we do.
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Thank you for providing a perfect example of misunderstanding the text by taking something out of context.

God formed man by his own hand using the dust of the earth. He also told Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply. Near the end of the whole 'garden of eden' debacle he told them that child bearing would be painful.

If you making the assumption that the bible says we are reproduced by dust, then you're not reading it. IF it did imply that, God would have told eve it would be painful to form dust and breath life into it.

Not to mention the countless times in the OT laws that it talks about spilling the mans seed.

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The bible has nothing about gravity either, yet I still believe it's there. WE get the point. Really we do.
Thanks for the explanation. Could give a fukc less.
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Thanks for the explanation. Could give a fukc less.
That means you gave at least one fukc .

That's absolutely unacceptable. Fucks are much too hard to come by in this day and age to be giving them out all willy nilly.
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That means you gave at least one fukc .

That's absolutely unacceptable. Fucks are much too hard to come by in this day and age to be giving them out all willy nilly.
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What is funny, is that it is this type of "science" that has you convinced to be an atheist. I am not trying to change your mind, I just find it funny that you think it is more possible that we are squirrels than there is a God.
I have most definitely never said I was an atheist or that I am convinced of anything regarding God or religion, besides that I don't know what the truth is. I consider myself an agnostic.
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I have most definitely never said I was an atheist or that I am convinced of anything regarding God or religion, besides that I don't know what the truth is. I consider myself an agnostic.
Something engineered all this. The marks are everywhere. You're just not arrogant enough to say you know what it is or foolish enough to believe the answers provided by a book written by people who used lead as a food seasoning.
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