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Old July 20th, 2013, 09:13 PM   #21
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Sad to hear.....

99.9999% of my riding is solo, I've had some pretty good wrecks alone in the woods.

Be safe on the trails everyone!!
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Old July 20th, 2013, 09:39 PM   #22
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Well it showed up in the Plra forum on mmba. A guy had a heart attack is the word there, something riding in a group wouldn't prevent. No word in if he died or not however.

Potowatami solo in the morning!

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Old July 20th, 2013, 10:32 PM   #23
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Should be good, not much rain over that way....Trail should be fast.
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Immortal sad he crashed and his helmet was embedded with rocks, what does that have to being a solo rider? That, and getting lost on Pontiac lake mtb trailtrails is almost 97.3% impossible.
Have not been there, but if it is wooded or has brush, it is possible for a person to remain unnoticed.

Point is- the buddy system is basic safety.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 11:51 PM   #25
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Have not been there, but the buddy system is basic safety.

Depends.

If your "buddy" is faster than you. You may need to wait for the next rider to find you and hope he/she knows CPR or has a phone on them to aid in helping you....

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Old July 21st, 2013, 05:57 AM   #26
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I think the buddy system concept is good but not an absolute must. You never know when something is going to happen where a buddy could make the difference. On the other hand, if you don't have a buddy to go with you, or you like the solitude, I don't consider it wrong.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 06:27 AM   #27
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Have not been there, but if it is wooded or has brush, it is possible for a person to remain unnoticed.

Point is- the buddy system is basic safety.
The buddy system does nothing for a heart attack or crushed skull. These trails are so busy on the weekends someone else is right there anyway.

We aren't talking about exploring the depths of Alaska.
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OK, OK, go solo, I don't care.
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Well it showed up in the Plra forum on mmba. A guy had a heart attack is the word there, something riding in a group wouldn't prevent. No word in if he died or not however.

Potowatami solo in the morning!
I agree that riding solo on a busy trail is not a big deal. 90% of the time I have spent on a mtb trail I was solo. I will disagree that being with someone else could save your life after having a heart attack. You are riding along and have a heart attack and then you fall and knock yourself out. Getting help quickly is very important if you want to live. There is a big difference between a paramedic showing up in 30 minutes and an hour.
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I agree that riding solo on a busy trail is not a big deal. 90% of the time I have spent on a mtb trail I was solo. I will disagree that being with someone else could save your life after having a heart attack. You are riding along and have a heart attack and then you fall and knock yourself out. Getting help quickly is very important if you want to live. There is a big difference between a paramedic showing up in 30 minutes and an hour.
If the guy had a heart attack, he has better chances of.being rescued on a trail at plra, than on his couch. In every catastrophic event there is better scenario.

Anyone who thinks the buddy system is necessary with biking, clearly has no familiarity with the sport and should stfu and not turn threads into a pissing match.

Dont drive a car alone you arent as safe as you would be with a buddy

Dont take a shit alone you could fall in and no one will save you.

People fucking die, its a given in life, sometimes it may have been avoidable, but if everything you do revolves around being 100% risk free of injury/death, i feel bad for you.
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If the guy had a heart attack, he has better chances of.being rescued on a trail at plra, than on his couch. In every catastrophic event there is better scenario.

Anyone who thinks the buddy system is necessary with biking, clearly has no familiarity with the sport and should stfu and not turn threads into a pissing match.

Dont drive a car alone you arent as safe as you would be with a buddy

Dont take a shit alone you could fall in and no one will save you.

People fucking die, its a given in life, sometimes it may have been avoidable, but if everything you do revolves around being 100% risk free of injury/death, i feel bad for you.
I have never rode that trail before so I don't have a clue about how busy it is. If you are lumping me in with the guys that say the buddy system is necessary you need to reread my post. I was only arguing with kickstand because I like arguing with kickstand.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 01:23 PM   #34
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Dont take a shit alone you could fall in and no one will save you.

People fucking die, its a given in life,
True story.
7years old in the middle of the night in South Korea I had to take a shit.
Walked into a outhouse and fall through the rectangle hole in the floor just catching myself with my elbows. With all my strength I managed to pull myself up and out of the hole. Immediately I squat next to the hole and leave a shit on the floor.
If I had fallen in I would have drowned in shit.
IMO solo shitting can kill.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 03:38 PM   #35
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I agree that riding solo on a busy trail is not a big deal. 90% of the time I have spent on a mtb trail I was solo. I will disagree that being with someone else could save your life after having a heart attack. You are riding along and have a heart attack and then you fall and knock yourself out. Getting help quickly is very important if you want to live. There is a big difference between a paramedic showing up in 30 minutes and an hour.
I didn't say that having someone with you would not be helpful if you had a heart attack, I said solo or not the heart attack was still likely to happen.

That said, Gunsworth is right about plra on a weekend, you're buddy, if he was in front of you, would have gotten to you AFTER the guys behind you on the trail did. That trail is super busy on weekends, I'd bet you couldn't sit in one spot for longer than 5 minutes with out a rider or group coming through. In this case we can all argue all we want, but having a partner or not may not have made a difference at all.

I only argued about bloomules comment about riding with a partner because riding solo or with someone would not have prevented the heart attack, or the crash that immortal claimed killed the guy.


I'm still waiting for immortal to actually confirm there was an actual death of a mountain biker caused by him crashing his head into rocks and having his helmet embedded with rocks. Nothing annoys me more than he said she said posts like this where the original poster has no fucking clue what happened. Sorry immortal but you're a fucktard for this one.
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Kickstand you're just a penis waver. Put it away before you hurt it. Sue me for posting 2nd hand news.
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Kickstand you're just a penis waver. Put it away before you hurt it. Sue me for posting 2nd hand news.
You're just a retard. Post something that actually confirms someone died instead of your drunk speculations.....
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I only argued about bloomules comment about riding with a partner because riding solo or with someone would not have prevented the heart attack, or the crash that immortal claimed killed the guy.

Never said riding with someone else prevents heart attacks or crashes, just that it means there is a guarantee that someone will notice you went missing.

Besides, if you have a buddy, then you have someone to take an awesome pic of you just before you bite the trail....
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I have to chime in on this after reading this thread. I'm immortal's friend who was riding Pontiac Lake Trail Saturday morning. I assure you this happened, sadly. We passed a cop walking/running up the trail towards us when we were near the end of the trail, nothing was said, however. Another friend of ours arrived to ride while we were in parking lot packin up. We went to the Beach to watch the Quake on the Lake boat races when he texted us to say they kicked him off the trail and closed it down due to a "fatality" So then back at his car he talked to the guys that found the guy. I still cannot find any official news source on this though, but we were there and saw all the first responders.....
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BTW, on a positive note. I am doing a GM sponsored road ride starting at the Milford Proving Grounds for the Special Olympics on August 3rd. If any one cares to donate to a great cause. Here is the link to my ride site.

http://www.firstgiving.com/fundraise...mpg-dream-ride
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