Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > Axle Tech
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino







Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old June 29th, 2013, 12:03 PM   #1
Carbon
Yooper
 
Carbon's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-11-10
Location: Carney Michigan
Posts: 1,190
iTrader: (7)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default Chevy Dana 44 Cut & Turn For Scout

First off I have a 76 Scout 2 chassis that I am building into a truggy. Has IH 345 v8, Dana 44's front and back, s10 cab, bla bla bla so far.

I have been doing a bunch of research on the cut & turn, Chevy vs. scout axles, steering, SOA and all that stuff. I have found so much good info and I am sure most if not all of my questions have been answered.

I do how ever have a few questions, but just to be clear.

I plan to pull a Dana 44 out of a 79 GMC 3/4 ton. The truck also has a rear Corp 14 bolt which I thought about running but am quickly changing my mind as it will hang down so low. Both axles have 4:10 gears which I am planning on starting with. The scout has 307 gears which is no good to me.

I was going to go full width with the Chevy Dana 44 and Corp 14 but now plan to keep the Dana 44 rear in the scout and cut & turn the front Chevy Dana 44 to fit my chassis. The reason I plan to do this is that the SOA is already done with the Chevy axle, the gears I want are already in the Chevy axle and not having to grind into the scout axle to mount my perch on the short end is a better idea as far as strength.

So my question is: other then having to get 12* shims for the front and getting my caster correct the front should be easy. I plan to use my scout hubs and what not. What will I be needing for a drive shaft? The front one is quite dinky. Also I need to figure out my steering. I have heard "Z link". The rear will only need a gear change as its already SOA and pinion angle is good.

I hope I explained what I am doing and have made my questions clear. Thank you for all the help in advance.
Carbon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 29th, 2013, 12:32 PM   #2
Jeepaholic
Axle Guru Extraordinaire
 
Jeepaholic's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-08-06
Location: Owosso
Posts: 7,289
iTrader: (116)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Jeepaholic Send a message via MSN to Jeepaholic
Default

Z link is a hack job get a flat top knuckle for the passenger side if the chevy axle doesn't already have one and do cross over or full high steer. You can use cj 30 spindles and chevy half ton calipers and brackets with your scout hubs and rotors to work with the chevy knuckles.
Jeepaholic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 29th, 2013, 12:49 PM   #3
Carbon
Yooper
 
Carbon's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-11-10
Location: Carney Michigan
Posts: 1,190
iTrader: (7)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

10-4
Carbon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 29th, 2013, 03:02 PM   #4
Carbon
Yooper
 
Carbon's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-11-10
Location: Carney Michigan
Posts: 1,190
iTrader: (7)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Front axle is on the trailer and out of the 3/4 ton. Drivers side has flat top, passenger doesn't. Will have to find one. Will most likely go high steer if everything works out. If anyone else has any ideas to help me out let me know. Time for more research.
Carbon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 30th, 2013, 09:40 PM   #5
Carbon
Yooper
 
Carbon's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-11-10
Location: Carney Michigan
Posts: 1,190
iTrader: (7)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Screw it! Going full width!
Carbon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2013, 04:30 PM   #6
Carbon
Yooper
 
Carbon's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-11-10
Location: Carney Michigan
Posts: 1,190
iTrader: (7)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Front axle bolted right it just need to get my pinion angle right and fab up shock mounts. Rear is under the truck. Need to pick up some spring perches as the 3/4 ton springs sat out a bit further. Next ill be building custom drive shafts.
Carbon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2013, 06:09 PM   #7
chadcooper55
expert jeep disassembler
 
chadcooper55's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-28-08
Location: kent city mi
Posts: 8,026
iTrader: (20)
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carbon View Post
Front axle bolted right it just need to get my pinion angle right and fab up shock mounts. Rear is under the truck. Need to pick up some spring perches as the 3/4 ton springs sat out a bit further. Next ill be building custom drive shafts.
I don't know if I am reading wrong but I would be more worried about getting your caster correct with your front axle than your pinion angle unless you are going to grind the welds off the inner c's and rotate them to get it right.
__________________
I hate being bipolar, its great!

jeep turned buggy now back to jeep
http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=175584
chadcooper55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2013, 06:55 PM   #8
Carbon
Yooper
 
Carbon's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-11-10
Location: Carney Michigan
Posts: 1,190
iTrader: (7)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Is caster really going to be an issus for a trail rig?
Carbon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2013, 07:03 PM   #9
Carbon
Yooper
 
Carbon's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-11-10
Location: Carney Michigan
Posts: 1,190
iTrader: (7)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

My plan was to cut and turn but after some research i found more people having drive line issues due to bad pinion angle. How many degrees off is my caster do you think?
Carbon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2013, 07:16 PM   #10
chadcooper55
expert jeep disassembler
 
chadcooper55's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-28-08
Location: kent city mi
Posts: 8,026
iTrader: (20)
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Default

You will have to put an angle finder on it and see what it is. I have never done a scout so I couldn't tell you.
__________________
I hate being bipolar, its great!

jeep turned buggy now back to jeep
http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=175584
chadcooper55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2013, 08:06 PM   #11
Carbon
Yooper
 
Carbon's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-11-10
Location: Carney Michigan
Posts: 1,190
iTrader: (7)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

I dont have an issue cutting off my inner c's and welding them back on. Im not sure what my angle is supposed to be. Ill do some more looking. Thanks for the advice.
Carbon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #12
Jeepaholic
Axle Guru Extraordinaire
 
Jeepaholic's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-08-06
Location: Owosso
Posts: 7,289
iTrader: (116)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Jeepaholic Send a message via MSN to Jeepaholic
Default

5-7 degrees toward the rear. Caster comes before pinion angle when dealing on a front axle. So if pinion is bad then a cut and turn is needed. You will also need to use shims (not the best) or mill/grind the spring perch on passenger side and relocate the driver side
Jeepaholic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 15th, 2013, 08:32 AM   #13
Carbon
Yooper
 
Carbon's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-11-10
Location: Carney Michigan
Posts: 1,190
iTrader: (7)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Thank you for the knowledge. Ill get to work on it.
Carbon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 16th, 2013, 09:29 PM   #14
Carbon
Yooper
 
Carbon's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-11-10
Location: Carney Michigan
Posts: 1,190
iTrader: (7)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Brain fart***

Last edited by Carbon; July 16th, 2013 at 09:34 PM.
Carbon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > Axle Tech
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:10 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright 2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Copyright 2005 - 2012 Cracker Enterprises - Powered by Linux
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=
Page generated in 0.39774 seconds with 40 queries