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Old June 20th, 2013, 07:18 AM   #61
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Still not talking about entitlement.

I'm talking about what happens to the people that their skill level is maxxed out in menial labor.


And since no one seems to be able to pick up on it, I'll tell you what I think will happen.


Welfare.


We will be paying to support the people who do not have the ability to work in a tech oriented world.
There are still PLENTY of service jobs out there for people who don't have any mental capacity. Instead of welfare they should realize that the world passed them by and they'll have to take a pay cut.

I always go back to what happened to a TON of automotive designers (engineerings too but it was REAL prevelant in designers) during the late 2000's specifically during 07-09 time period.

Designers are a good example because most do not have a 4 year degree, many do not have a 2 year degree.

Many Designers (automotive) made upwards of $35-45/hr then 07-09 hit the auto industry and we all know it hit everyone related to it pretty damn hard. Smart guys accepted that wages dropped nearly $10/hr or more in some cases, in 09-10 time period some guys were as low as $22/hr for a job they once did in the mid 30's to lower 40's. For all you math whiz's out ther that's 50% of their income and somewhere around a $40,000 pay cut........

Then their were the guys who refused the pay cut. Sat at home and decided they would "wait it out". Fast forward to 2009/10 When things started to pick back up. They couldn't beg for a job at $20/hr because new versions of design software had come out, they were rusty, etc.

So they didn't make $40-50k in 07 like the guys who took a paycut, and they didn't make $40-50 the next two years either, so they were $120-150k BEHIND compared to the guys willing to take a pay cut.

Thos rates have now returned to the $35-45/hr range depending on who you work for, how good you are, etc.

So you're example of mental midgets is all well and good, hopefully they'll be like the smart designers were who realized their place, took their lumps, and moved on....instead of just pissing and moaning like the other morons.
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Old June 20th, 2013, 08:00 AM   #62
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So you're example of mental midgets is all well and good, hopefully they'll be like the smart designers were who realized their place, took their lumps, and moved on....instead of just pissing and moaning like the other morons.
At least someone gets my point..... the piss and moan type will be on welfare.

No one 'owes' anyone a job- not even high end engineers. If it can be automated, jobs will be lost- and different jobs will be created. Since everyone can't be good at everything, some people will fall through the cracks.

And maybe end up on crack...

And looking to take your stuff...
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Old June 20th, 2013, 09:47 AM   #63
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Still not talking about entitlement.

I'm talking about what happens to the people that their skill level is maxxed out in menial labor.


And since no one seems to be able to pick up on it, I'll tell you what I think will happen.


Welfare.


We will be paying to support the people who do not have the ability to work in a tech oriented world.
My comment wasn't pointed at you, I was just having some fun.

I made my own job. I have no sympathy for the unskilled who make no effort to adapt.
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Old June 20th, 2013, 09:49 AM   #64
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My comment wasn't pointed at you, I was just having some fun.

I made my own job. I have no sympathy for the unskilled who make no effort to adapt.
understood.

However, still waiting for a Yetti sighting in this thread.....
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Old June 20th, 2013, 09:56 AM   #65
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At least someone gets my point..... the piss and moan type will be on welfare.

No one 'owes' anyone a job- not even high end engineers. If it can be automated, jobs will be lost- and different jobs will be created. Since everyone can't be good at everything, some people will fall through the cracks.

And maybe end up on crack...

And looking to take your stuff...
BlooMule, might as well give up. They cannot get past their hatred of anything that appears to be liberal in nature, even if it is not.
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If you look at the idea of putting robots as drivers, I see it as delivering a better product. They can do 99% percentile driving moves, without fear or risk of injury. And can do it repeatably.
Self driving cars will happen and they will be sophisticated marvels of engineering for sure. That capability will be modified and applied to many other manufacturing and service sectors replacing humans. As AI gets more powerful it will replace white collar jobs. And that will be the same story for many other jobs traditionally thought safe from machines. The issue will be a lack of jobs, not people being too lazy to work. One million displaced people competing for 100,000 jobs and it doesn’t matter how much education or retraining they have 900,000 will be SOL. What do we do then?
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Old June 20th, 2013, 10:17 AM   #66
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BlooMule, might as well give up. They cannot get past their hatred of anything that appears to be liberal in nature, even if it is not. Self driving cars will happen and they will be sophisticated marvels of engineering for sure. That capability will be modified and applied to many other manufacturing and service sectors replacing humans. As AI gets more powerful it will replace white collar jobs. And that will be the same story for many other jobs traditionally thought safe from machines. The issue will be a lack of jobs, not people being too lazy to work. One million displaced people competing for 100,000 jobs and it doesn’t matter how much education or retraining they have 900,000 will be SOL. What do we do then?
It will never happen. You need a tin foil hat. If robots do everything for us, it will be awesome! I will fish all day and things will be cheap.
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Old June 20th, 2013, 11:11 AM   #67
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It will never happen. You need a tin foil hat. If robots do everything for us, it will be awesome! I will fish all day and things will be cheap.
I hope you’re right. Your future is much better than becoming a robot’s bitch: http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...uld-call-shots


Since the entire article cannot be seen here are cliff notes: Robot calls the shots and with its human bitch they out perform a crew of human experts building a humvee space frame.
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Old June 20th, 2013, 11:20 AM   #68
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There has been work on AI and self replicating computers for decades- it's always a decade away it seems- but eventually it will happen. Now, if robotics can replace all human tasks, exactly what will the humans do to earn an income to buy the robots to do the tasks?

A little off-topic:

When I worked for Aetna stamping, we were clearing out the old offices upstairs that dated back to WWII when the plant was building warplanes. I found a bunch of old hand drawn blueprints for airplanes in one of the cabinets, realllly cool to think that those planes were designed on paper, entirely out of the engineer's head and error checked by another- based on his knowledge. I wonder how many CAD monkeys could do that if asked to today.
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Old June 21st, 2013, 07:00 PM   #69
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its sooner than we know. GM already wants to make it happen
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...g-cars-by-2015
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Old June 21st, 2013, 07:09 PM   #70
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Those tests were to severe for human drivers?
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Old June 21st, 2013, 07:15 PM   #71
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its sooner than we know. GM already wants to make it happen
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...g-cars-by-2015
Here's our VW.. its eerie to drive in...

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[QUOTE=Haggar;3429162]Here's our VW.. its eerie to drive in...

What GPS unit is this using?
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Here's our VW.. its eerie to drive in...

What GPS unit is this using?
I wager that it ISN'T a TomTom ONE....
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What GPS unit is this using?
Looks like you understand things as well as Brods.
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Old June 21st, 2013, 09:57 PM   #75
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Looks like you understand things as well as Brods.
Im part of the ford program just intrested in everyones thoughts on here get a good laugh when we went public on what were trying to accomplish
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There has been work on AI and self replicating computers for decades- it's always a decade away it seems- but eventually it will happen. Now, if robotics can replace all human tasks, exactly what will the humans do to earn an income to buy the robots to do the tasks?

A little off-topic:

When I worked for Aetna stamping, we were clearing out the old offices upstairs that dated back to WWII when the plant was building warplanes. I found a bunch of old hand drawn blueprints for airplanes in one of the cabinets, realllly cool to think that those planes were designed on paper, entirely out of the engineer's head and error checked by another- based on his knowledge. I wonder how many CAD monkeys could do that if asked to today.
Yep some of the old prints are truly works of art. And just think there were no calculators, just slide rules.

Unfortunately computer aided ignorance is not limited to drafting. We ran into many ASME code fab shops who would not build our vessels because they could not use their code calculation software to validate the closure. Bear in mind the same code accepted closure has been used since the 1960’s, back when all the calcs were done by hand and engineers could do math.
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Looks like you understand things as well as Brods.
So you are willing to go on record that no one will be put out of work by self driving vehicles? And what about the other unintended consequences like liability issues that will make modifying most anything on a self driving vehicle illegal thereby dealing a blow to the aftermarket industry?

In order to work, self driving cars will be awesome data collection machines. How much history will the cars store? Who will “own” that data? Will the automaker be able to access that data any time they feel like it? What about the government? Will the cars be used as law enforcement tools, such as sending data and pictures to the authorities when the Kickstands of the roads bully their way through traffic using the self driving car’s accident avoidance programming to force it to yield to them?
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