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Old March 13th, 2013, 07:42 PM   #61
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1) To the people questioning synthetic, I have to laugh. What's next...FI is a lousy technology and crank seals should still be made of rope? Cold performance alone is reason enough for me to put syn in things I plan to keep, plus oxidation performance at elevated temperatures is far superior to dino oil

2) IMO, any full quality synthetic oil is going to be better than a standard petroleum/syn dino blend. That opinion is based on things I've read, various oil analysis readouts, and real experience with various oil testing equipment (four ball wear, saybolt viscometer, etc.). There's a reason (numerous) why OEM's are moving towards synthetic in more and more new engines, and there's also a reason why many fleets run it.

3) To the people questioning Amsoil - is the cost worth the payout? I'm not sure. I don't sell Amsoil, but have used it. Their 2 stroke saber oil does what it claims....half the oil and still makes the engine live. That said, there are plenty of positive reviews of Amsoil by non-bias second party reviewers out on the web. Is it worth the extra $$ over say mobil 1? That I'm not sure of. I believe that there are far too many other variables that play a role in oil life degradation to simply state "brand x is better than brand z."

And also, some have said Amsoil spends way too much $$ on marketing....have you looked at Royal Purple Lucas Again, they may be good products, but I think there are other brands just as guilty of advertising.

Bottom line, I'll take any good group IV synthetic over a petro based oil - amsoil, penzoil, RP, M1, ashland, castrol, motul, klotz, shell, etc. Buy what you can get a deal on and change it regular interval based on your usage.

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Old April 6th, 2013, 05:08 PM   #62
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buddy of mine runs it in his 7.3 PS 13k intervals, he's had samples tested when he changes it and they say its still fine.

for what he pays for it he can do 3 conventional oil changes in that time frame. He also changes the filter every 5k
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Old April 6th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #63
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A recent customer vehicle had well over 100k miles on it and 5 oil changes since new. Amsoil "oil analyzed" his oil every 20k and told customer it was fine to run. customer bought a very expensive longblock, turbo, and exhaust system for himself when the engine grenaded at 130k. total catastrophic failure, customer repair price over $20k. This was a 2011 diesel. Amsoil is shit.
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After countless trials of other brands of motorcycle 4 stroke oils including semi and full synthetic, Valvoline specific motorcycle 4 stroke oil has performed above and beyond any other oils on the market period! I also use this exclusively in my Honda GL1100 Gold Wing Interstate and Suzuki Boulevard S50 VS800. All of my bikes run beautifully in every aspect using this motor oil. Stay clear of the Amsoil HYPE! That product in my opinion is a detriment to motorcycle engines or any engine for that matter. It is very thin in viscosity which may be a help for cold starts but that is where the performance ends with it. ALWAYS try to stay within the manufacturer recommended oils. If it calls for a petroleum base 10-40 that is what you should be using. I use the Valvoline ATV 10-40 in my Honda 400EX Quad and performs so much better than Amsoil which is just plain uncertified shit
I stand by the Valvoline 10-40 MC oil and will never TRY OUT another brand or type of oil in my bikes EVER!
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After countless trials of other brands of motorcycle 4 stroke oils including semi and full synthetic, Valvoline specific motorcycle 4 stroke oil has performed above and beyond any other oils on the market period! I also use this exclusively in my Honda GL1100 Gold Wing Interstate and Suzuki Boulevard S50 VS800. All of my bikes run beautifully in every aspect using this motor oil. Stay clear of the Amsoil HYPE! That product in my opinion is a detriment to motorcycle engines or any engine for that matter. It is very thin in viscosity which may be a help for cold starts but that is where the performance ends with it. ALWAYS try to stay within the manufacturer recommended oils. If it calls for a petroleum base 10-40 that is what you should be using. I use the Valvoline ATV 10-40 in my Honda 400EX Quad and performs so much better than Amsoil which is just plain uncertified shit
I stand by the Valvoline 10-40 MC oil and will never TRY OUT another brand or type of oil in my bikes EVER!
What data did you use in your trials to come to these conclusions?
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A recent customer vehicle had well over 100k miles on it and 5 oil changes since new. Amsoil "oil analyzed" his oil every 20k and told customer it was fine to run. customer bought a very expensive longblock, turbo, and exhaust system for himself when the engine grenaded at 130k. total catastrophic failure, customer repair price over $20k. This was a 2011 diesel. Amsoil is shit.
While I can see how you would come to that conclusion based on the info you provided, you're leaving out about 243974937 variables that could have played major roles in the engine grenading. Could've been due to oil, could've been due to countless other things. I've never run Amsoil so I have no opinion to provide except that your argument is missing too much information to convince me of anything.
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I drank water 5 times. Then I got sick once after I drank it. Water is shit. I will never drink it again.
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I'm gonna pull a YB here,
but thats what you come in with for a 1st post?
Is your next one going to be some sales pitch for Valvoline?
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After countless trials of other brands of motorcycle 4 stroke oils including semi and full synthetic, Valvoline specific motorcycle 4 stroke oil has performed above and beyond any other oils on the market period! I also use this exclusively in my Honda GL1100 Gold Wing Interstate and Suzuki Boulevard S50 VS800. All of my bikes run beautifully in every aspect using this motor oil. Stay clear of the Amsoil HYPE! That product in my opinion is a detriment to motorcycle engines or any engine for that matter. It is very thin in viscosity which may be a help for cold starts but that is where the performance ends with it. ALWAYS try to stay within the manufacturer recommended oils. If it calls for a petroleum base 10-40 that is what you should be using. I use the Valvoline ATV 10-40 in my Honda 400EX Quad and performs so much better than Amsoil which is just plain uncertified shit
I stand by the Valvoline 10-40 MC oil and will never TRY OUT another brand or type of oil in my bikes EVER!
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We sell Amsoil in the store, lots of people like it, I think its pretty good stuff for things like 2 stroke engines and 4 stoke stuff as well.
That being said, I have never used it in an automotive engine, and prob never will.
btw it is about $1.50 cheaper a quart than Mobil 1, so either we are cheap on Amsoil or over priced on Mobil 1 I guess
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