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Old May 24th, 2013, 06:44 PM   #41
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The topic of this thread is can someone who has different religious beliefs, or none at all, be considered a "good person". The Pope said yes, in your previous post you said no. You judged the worthiness of a person on what they believe. to me that is you being judgmental, not Jesus doing anything.
Of course other people believing or not believing in God can be good people and do good things, help the needy or homeless or help somebody change a flat tire.
I am not judging anybody all I am saying is in order to be saved is to believe in Jesus Christ, that He died for our sins.
There are Christians that are not the best people but still believe in Christ and are saved. It is all about Christ and not about how good we can be.
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Old May 24th, 2013, 07:53 PM   #42
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What about people from other religions then? Where do they go when they die?
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Old May 24th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #43
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What about people from other religions then? Where do they go when they die?
Duh only one true "real" religion. Everything else is crap and they all go to hell.
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The hostility mostly comes from the "non-offensive" way of Christians telling you that you're going to boil in a lake of fire for all of eternity because you don't believe what they do.

Might have a wee bit to do with it.
I think you missed the point though. LIke Pen said, If you had a truck barreling down on you but didn't believe it, wouldn't you want some one to tell you? Who cares about what method that person uses to get thier point across.


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Duh only one true "real" religion. Everything else is crap and they all go to hell.
I've never been to the place after we die but I believe that the Name sake Of Christianity (Jesus Christ, son Of God) is the deity who created that place. So, following his commands will probably get me in the right place.
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Old May 24th, 2013, 10:01 PM   #45
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Yeah, but what about people of different religion? Where do they go?
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Old May 26th, 2013, 09:00 PM   #46
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Yeah, but what about people of different religion? Where do they go?
According the bible, which is where the pope gets his rules:

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Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me
John 14:6

I'm not someone who has been blessed with a Resurrection or prophetic visions from God so I couldn't tell you. From what I read in a book I believe to be truth is, they will not be with God.


"What about Grace or mercy? Doesn't God love us?" Yes, he does. He loves you so much that he sent his only son (something I could not do) to die for us.

Let's put that into perspective for a minute:

Now, we may think "We're good people" but really, before acceptance of Christ's sacrifice and the becoming justified through that Sacrifice, we're God's enemies. We're breaking all his commandments, profaning anything and everything, destroying his creation, the list goes on. We are the equivalent to The Boston bombers of God's kingdom, that's on our best "good" days. Our Good deeds are like tampons (literal translation) to God but he still sent his son to die for us. How is that not love?

Who among any of us would be willing to sacrifice our own sons at all? Let alone for an enemy?

It comes down to why. Because this world is so broken, because we need to go back to God who created us to worship him. He made this huge sacrifice so that we could be made right (justification) in his sight and we could have a relationship with him.


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I don't think that the pope was really saying that he thought that people could get to heaven just by being good. I think he was just saying that Christians should not automatically judge someone as evil just because they don't believe in Jesus, and they should be willing to work with people that have different beliefs to achieve a greater good. As usual the media picked a few lines to quote to make it sound like a bigger story than it really is.
Most Christians don't. Except Muslims, they can all die and go straight to hell.
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So when you die, you go to heaven or hell. If you don't accept Christ as your savior, you go to hell no matter how good you are. Right?
If only about 30% of the world is Christian, and not all of those Christians will go to heaven, then maybe 70-85% of humanity is going to hell?
I'm not buying it. I'm betting my salvation that religion is designed by man to keep people in line. Not that it's a bad thing. It gives people a sense of hope and security. To me it's a complicated way of saying "You better be good, or when your father gets home you're getting the belt".

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There is no Heaven or Hell. When you die, you will simply cease to exist.
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There is no Heaven or Hell. When you die, you will simply cease to exist.
That's the most logical explanation to me. People need to feel that all leads to something though, not just lights out.
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With the way you and many others think and it is about what "You" think, is why you do not understand. It's not your thoughts it's God plan. Take the focus off of you and what you think how things should be and look at what Christ has for us.
Christ did say exactly what you are referring to,

Mat. 7:12,14

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
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So when you die, you go to heaven or hell. If you don't accept Christ as your savior, you go to hell no matter how good you are. Right?
If only about 30% of the world is Christian, and not all of those Christians will go to heaven, then maybe 70-85% of humanity is going to hell?
I'm not buying it. I'm betting my salvation that religion is designed by man to keep people in line. Not that it's a bad thing. It gives people a sense of hope and security. To me it's a complicated way of saying "You better be good, or when your father gets home you're getting the belt".

Different strokes for different folks, but since you asked the question.


. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."
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Religion (to me) is basically a coping mechanism for the fear of death. Too bad each religion feels that all other religions are crap and their believers must be punished.
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Religion (to me) is basically a coping mechanism for the fear of death. Too bad each religion feels that all other religions are crap and their believers must be punished.
I agree 100%. But if it makes people feel good, then that's not a bad thing.
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Jesus clearly said...
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Religion (to me) is basically a coping mechanism for the fear of death. Too bad each religion feels that all other religions are crap and their believers must be punished.
Actually it's not the believers that will be punished, it is the nonbelievers. He has given everyone plenty of evidence of His existence.
Example, how do you get something from nothing? If there is no God how does this happen?
So do you then fear death? seeing as you have no coping mechanism
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I agree 100%. But if it makes people feel good, then that's not a bad thing.
I agree.
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Actually it's not the believers that will be punished, it is the nonbelievers. He has given everyone plenty of evidence of His existence.
Example, how do you get something from nothing? If there is no God how does this happen?
So do you then fear death? seeing as you have no coping mechanism
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