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Old May 18th, 2013, 07:34 AM   #101
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You don't have to do all that to get the shaft out....look up the "camo" method.....you can get the shaft out of the front in ~10 mins.....seems worth it
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You don't have to do all that to get the shaft out....look up the "camo" method.....you can get the shaft out of the front in ~10 mins.....seems worth it
And it's his fault for not knowing that? I don't think so. If I were going to look at it, I wouldn't have known about the shortcut. That makes me an idiot?

I think his point is pretty clear. The seller emphasized that the shafts were something they weren't. All the other shoulda, woulda, coulda doesn't take away from a seller being less than honest.
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And it's his fault for not knowing that? I don't think so. If I were going to look at it, I wouldn't have known about the shortcut. That makes me an idiot?

I think his point is pretty clear. The seller emphasized that the shafts were something they weren't. All the other shoulda, woulda, coulda doesn't take away from a seller being less than honest.
I agree with you Jim....

I've seen the post on craigslist... The guy is even specific enough to name the brand of "Chromo" axles in the front and back...

Seller is a douche! People should not deal with him or his illiterate father.

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You don't have to do all that to get the shaft out....look up the "camo" method.....you can get the shaft out of the front in ~10 mins.....seems worth it
If the cone washers haven't been off in a while on the lockout and steering arm, it can be a lot longer than 10 minutes, unless you bring an air chisel, torch, pb blaster, and some luck. The 'true' Camo method requires that the axle is already set up for it, without running the snap rings on the outers.


The Toy front is about the worst case of axles for this thing, as there's no easy/clean/fast way to pull them apart and verify whats inside.


This one seems similar to a case that someone complained about a few months back on axles not having what they advertised: Buyer should have checked, so they had their chance and didn't, and Seller seems to be crooked also. Fault on both sides, and serves as a lesson for others.

For me, deals end when you leave their property, or they leave yours, unless you have a specific arrangement in place. If you are selling, any reputable seller should be willing to verify parts they are selling, by having them open, or helping you open them. If you are a buyer, you need to verify, or accept the risk.
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I don't wish to continue this, I got my point across but i'll respond to you because I have nothing to hide. I didn't pay 1000 MORE because he said it had the shafts, I paid for the totality of the parts that were there...or supposed to be there. The 1000 is what it costs to make it what it was supposed to be.

It doesn't matter what was paid for it. What matters is that the guy lied about it. That's all I wanted to convey here. That he is not to be trusted and to warn other people.

For the record, when I found out about it, I tried to work it out with him. I even found a used set for 300 bucks and asked him to make it right. He didn't want to make it right. A man is only as good as his word and his is no good.

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And that's the truth.



To tell you the truth I didn't look at this thread. I got my point across and was done with it. I logged in to respond to a PM that I got an e-mail alert for.



The shafts were not the sole reason I bought the truck.



The seller hasn't even posted. I don't know what you mean about offering a receipt and me not wanting one and not wanting "as is" put on it. I have the title with the price and a signature.

I did ask for receipts. He didn't have them. Dad, who was older and thought was ok said they had installed them when they did the gears, like I said and he "guaranteed" it with his word which now I know means nothing. That's on me. Hopefully no one else gets burned by them.

A few minutes of verifying?

Jack it up
put it on stands
pull the tire
remove pads and calipers
remove hub
remove wheel bearings
remove the rotor
remove spindle
then pull the shaft out
put it back in
put spindle back on
put put rotor back on
set bearings
put hub back on
put caliper and pads on
put tire on
lower vehicle

That's a lot more than a couple minutes...and that's just the front. That job books at 2.4 labor hours. So is that practical? In a perfect world, sure. In the real world, not so much. Even if I was willing, would you let some guy off the street take apart your daily driver for that? What if I broke something or damaged something doing it? Just isn't very realistic.



I didn't buy it for what it DIDN'T have. I bought it for what it DID have....or what it was supposed to have. Those things it didn't have didn't matter to me. The frame had rust in the rear. I knew that. I didn't care. Even if it had a brand new frame, it was getting chopped off and bobbed. I didn't buy it for the gears so that wasn't an issue, it was getting new gears anyway. It had a limited slip front end and I knew that was coming out. It didn't have mismatched axles. It had a SAS conversion done in the front. Again, didn't buy it for what it didn't have. What else it didn't have is irrelevant. I have never said anything about the gears or anything else. My ONLY issue was the shafts that he lied about. Everything else was exactly as stated, as advertised and as seen.

If this saves another person from getting burned by these guys, then mission accomplished. Tis the power of the internet. Many people on here have been saved trouble by others listing their experiences. I just offer mine regarding this guy.

This isn't the only place I posted this and from those outlets I have learned more damaging information about Micah Braden that I have not posted. The lies about the shafts are all I was concerned about.
I am willing to spend 3 hours of my time for $1000.

I'm sure that if you pulled a jack stand, jack, impact gun and some sockets to make sure you were getting what you were getting the seller would have been real quick to stop you from tearing his truck apart in the driveway since he was lying and you would have left with his truck half apart in the driveway.

I don't expect you to tear everything you buy apart. But often the threat of verifying is enough to make a dishonest seller come clean, it's also cheaper than not buying what you thought you were.

My comment about the receipt comes from the poster claiming they offered you one but you declined.

Let's see some links to these other posts, without that you still just sound like muddywhiner being butthurt.
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Muddy whiner sums it up .
Defaming Character , stalking , and harassment that followed and still continues behind the scene is another matter .
See you court Tim .
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Can't wait for this to come across the desks of muddy drawers supervisors at the school, schools usually frown upon shit like this should result in a suspension at the least
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Old May 18th, 2013, 02:51 PM   #108
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I don't care what it is, If I have a vehicle I am selling, nobody is taking a wrench or tool to take it apart in my driveway. If they wanna pay me the cash, load it on their trailer, then take it apart in my driveway then so be it. But nobody is taking shit apart until cash is in hand and it has the ability to leave my driveway with or without being under its own power. But I also won't purposely misrepresent an item either.
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I don't care what it is, If I have a vehicle I am selling, nobody is taking a wrench or tool to take it apart in my driveway. If they wanna pay me the cash, load it on their trailer, then take it apart in my driveway then so be it. But nobody is taking shit apart until cash is in hand and it has the ability to leave my driveway with or without being under its own power. But I also won't purposely misrepresent an item either.
That's kinda the point.

Buyer: Oh, this truck has chromoly axleshafts?

Me: yup it sure does. Here's the receipt, here's the box they came in, here's some sort of legit proof

Buyer: Mind if I take a look?

Me: Sure, but before you do, let's agree to the terms of the sale and I'll write up a receipt.

Buyer: Hmmmmm guess I don't really need to pop the heads.....


Muddy whiner could have done the same. He just wants to blame the other guy for lying but doesn't want to take any responsiblity (typical american these days)

Hag-gar said it best, the deal was done the minute muddy whiner left the driveway. This thread is nothing more than muddy whiner being a whiner, and since he's a whiner I'm enjoying coming into this thread to remind him everytime I can.
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I don't care what it is, If I have a vehicle I am selling, nobody is taking a wrench or tool to take it apart in my driveway. If they wanna pay me the cash, load it on their trailer, then take it apart in my driveway then so be it. But nobody is taking shit apart until cash is in hand and it has the ability to leave my driveway with or without being under its own power. But I also won't purposely misrepresent an item either.
I'm with this. If someone wanted to take something apart, I'd tell them to pound sand. Chad, I think you are beat - in a dead horse. I'm not going to take something apart, nor will I let them do it to me. Most any receipt is simply a bill of sale, not a bill of material. From what I understand, he put it in writing in his ad. IMO, that should mean he should stand behind his product.

Regardless of the price or what was or wasn't in a receipt, he lied. From what I read, that's all Tim said in his OP.
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Of course I am , its been fun to come up with any way possible to call muddy paws a whiner.

The dude lied, but he was still dumb enough to buy something on someone's word rather than knowing for himself.

I learned that lesson once. I bought a boat, sight unseen, It showed up in less than described cosmetic condition, didn't run right, and ultimately blew up twice, lesson learned.

You never heard me cry about it though, because it was my fault. I should have checked it out more thouroughly.
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That's kinda the point.

Buyer: Oh, this truck has chromoly axleshafts?

Me: yup it sure does. Here's the receipt, here's the box they came in, here's some sort of legit proof

Buyer: Mind if I take a look?

Me: Sure, but before you do, let's agree to the terms of the sale and I'll write up a receipt.

Buyer: Hmmmmm guess I don't really need to pop the heads.....


Muddy whiner could have done the same. He just wants to blame the other guy for lying but doesn't want to take any responsiblity (typical american these days)

Hag-gar said it best, the deal was done the minute muddy whiner left the driveway. This thread is nothing more than muddy whiner being a whiner, and since he's a whiner I'm enjoying coming into this thread to remind him everytime I can.
This reply is idiotic. On one hand, you're blaming the buyer for not taking any "responsibility". On the other hand, you seem perfectly fine with letting the seller not have any responsibility for being dishonest about what was being sold.
Judging by your replies, is it safe to say you would do the same? Sell parts dishonestly, then tell the buyer it was their "responsibility" to check them?
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This reply is idiotic. On one hand, you're blaming the buyer for not taking any "responsibility". On the other hand, you seem perfectly fine with letting the seller not have any responsibility for being dishonest about what was being sold.
Judging by your replies, is it safe to say you would do the same? Sell parts dishonestly, then tell the buyer it was their "responsibility" to check them?
Yeah, I rip people off all the time, look at my itrader. jackass.

I don't run into this problem selling stuff, because I don't lie about. I also don't run into this problem buying things because 6 years ago I learned my lesson.

I never said the seller shouldn't have lied, I just pointed out that muddy whiner could have avoided the whole thing....

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I recently discovered I got screwed on a deal. Over a year ago I bought a Jeep from a member with good itrader feedback that was said to have a LT1, Dana 60 rear, nv4500, and a 231 with a sye. I Looked at the engine, yep that's a LT1. I looked at the rear, yep that's a 60. looked at the trans and t.case, yep nv4500 and 231. I bought it without the trans installed so I knew the risk of buying something without hearing it run. It wasn't until a few months ago I realized that I only got 75% of the items that the Jeep was said to have. After getting it running good and swapping in a front 60, I was bummed out about the lack of power. So I was looking for info on cam swaps ect when I ran across a thread talking about the L99 4.3 and how to tell the difference between the 4.3 and the 5.7L LT1. My heart sank because I forgot this small displacement V8 existed. I ran outside, looked at the back of the block, and sure enough it wasn't the 5.7L LT1 but the 4.3L.

Did I whine and make a thread about it? No

Did I try and sue someone? No

Did I even contact the seller? No

The way I look at it is you learn from your mistakes. I payed more than $1000 on my purchase. Was I pissed? Yes I was for a minute but I got over it because all I have to do is swap motors and people practically give away LT1s
If I would have found out that it wasn't a LT1 I would not have bought it.










*Seller said he got it from a buddy that owed him money, so he may have not known that it wasn't a LT1
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Yeah, I rip people off all the time, look at my itrader. jackass.

I don't run into this problem selling stuff, because I don't lie about. I also don't run into this problem buying things because 6 years ago I learned my lesson.

I never said the seller shouldn't have lied, I just pointed out that muddy whiner could have avoided the whole thing....

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So what you're saying, is that 6 years ago you got ripped off, and must be as much of an idiot as you're trying to make the OP out to be.
The whole thing could have been avoided if the seller didn't lie. How about you hold the right people responsible? You're saying he lied, but you don't want to rag on them as much as the buyer.
Look at your trader? Yea, I'm sure that makes you honest joe, and you couldn't have had a bunch of your internet buddies make that up.
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So what you're saying, is that 6 years ago you got ripped off, and must be as much of an idiot as you're trying to make the OP out to be.
The whole thing could have been avoided if the seller didn't lie. How about you hold the right people responsible? You're saying he lied, but you don't want to rag on them as much as the buyer.
Look at your trader? Yea, I'm sure that makes you honest joe, and you couldn't have had a bunch of your internet buddies make that up.
Yeah, I had people make shit up. I doubt I know more than 10 of the people I have bought and sold things from on this website.

You're fucking retarded.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. 6 years ago I made a mistake in purchasing something with out checking it out as thoroughly as I should. But instead of crying about it like muddy whiner is, I moved on with my life and learned a lesson.
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I recently discovered I got screwed on a deal. Over a year ago I bought a Jeep from a member with good itrader feedback that was said to have a LT1, Dana 60 rear, nv4500, and a 231 with a sye. I Looked at the engine, yep that's a LT1. I looked at the rear, yep that's a 60. looked at the trans and t.case, yep nv4500 and 231. I bought it without the trans installed so I knew the risk of buying something without hearing it run. It wasn't until a few months ago I realized that I only got 75% of the items that the Jeep was said to have. After getting it running good and swapping in a front 60, I was bummed out about the lack of power. So I was looking for info on cam swaps ect when I ran across a thread talking about the L99 4.3 and how to tell the difference between the 4.3 and the 5.7L LT1. My heart sank because I forgot this small displacement V8 existed. I ran outside, looked at the back of the block, and sure enough it wasn't the 5.7L LT1 but the 4.3L.

Did I whine and make a thread about it? No

Did I try and sue someone? No

Did I even contact the seller? No

The way I look at it is you learn from your mistakes. I payed more than $1000 on my purchase. Was I pissed? Yes I was for a minute but I got over it because all I have to do is swap motors and people practically give away LT1s
If I would have found out that it wasn't a LT1 I would not have bought it.










*Seller said he got it from a buddy that owed him money, so he may have not known that it wasn't a LT1
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Yeah, I had people make shit up. I doubt I know more than 10 of the people I have bought and sold things from on this website.

You're fucking retarded.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. 6 years ago I made a mistake in purchasing something with out checking it out as thoroughly as I should. But instead of crying about it like muddy whiner is, I moved on with my life and learned a lesson.
So now you're making it your goal here to criticize the person who made a mistake, instead of the person who lied. Got it.
And I'm the retarded one? Ok.........
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I never sold kickstand a fridge... Don't know how he got that itrader.. Must be a hacker...
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So now you're making it your goal here to criticize the person who made a mistake, instead of the person who lied. Got it.
And I'm the retarded one? Ok.........
Why so mad?
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