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Old May 16th, 2013, 12:56 PM   #81
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I will agree 100% on your speculation, but I still believe if he was guaranteed they were chromo shafts, and they turned out not to be, I would be pissed too, and would like to see the person pay something back for the mis-rep of the parts truck.

as to the 4:1 comparison, I don't think it is a fair comparison, you could find out if it had a 4:1 without taking it all apart, how about a SBC with flat top pistons, would you expect to pull the heads to verify? I would not, but if I paid extra money for them, and had to tear into the motor for something and found they were not, I'd again be pissed, going to court over it woudl depend how much was at stake, and how back the person pissed me off when I talked with them about the mis-representation.
This is where I disagree. Based on my speculation, which muddy whiner won't confirm, the sole reason to choose this truck was the axle shafts and the price of the truck compared to ther similar options out there......

You don't have to tear the whole axle down to verify, did he ask for receipts? Did he ask for the stock shafts that were removed? was the $1,000 worth enough to him that a few minutes of verifying what he bought would have saved him a trip back to court to try and sue the guy? What about the seller claiming to offer a receipt and he refused? Did he not want "as is" in writing?

As for your example, it would depend, if the motor was in the car and I was satisfied with the way it ran that would be on me. If the motor was on a stand and someone was claiming some pretty expensive parts yet couldn't produce receipts or was unwilling to prove it then I would walk. Not that it would prove exactly what piston is in the motor but you can also run compression checks, leak down checks, etc. there are ways to verify what you are buying.

I also speculate that this deal felt fishy when he bought a truck with mismatched gears and axles, a cracked frame, a misfiring engine etc. He knew damn well what he was getting and buying and he thought he was getting a deal until he got hoime. He knew damn well what he might have been getting into but he still chose to buy it. Now he's just pissed he spent the money now that he has had the chance to take it home and check it out.

He didn't buy it sight unseen, he was RIGHT there in PERSON looking it over and made an offer to purchase the vehicle. Buyer be fucking ware.

If he bought it sight unseen and took someones word and it got delivered and wasn't what it was supposed to be I would have some sympathy for him, but at this point he is just crying about something he had every right and ability to double check.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 02:19 PM   #82
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Old May 16th, 2013, 02:22 PM   #83
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Roflmao looking back on ALL of this !! I was there from day 1 of the entire deal .
What a bunch of queens and morons ! I thought women were bad !
Truth will prevail .... See you in court school teacher . Yes , I will be there to .

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Roflmao looking back on ALL of this !! I was there from day 1 of the entire deal .
What a bunch of queens and morons ! I thought women were bad !
Truth will prevail .... See you in court school teacher . Yes , I will be there to .

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Roflmao looking back on ALL of this !! I was there from day 1 of the entire deal .
What a bunch of queens and morons ! I thought women were bad !
Truth will prevail .... See you in court school teacher . Yes , I will be there to .

Don't bring a knife to a gunfight prick !
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I am have a lot of difficulty masturbating to this thread..
Just picture a cat fight between two women that turns into a lesbian love scene...it seems similar in this case.
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I wonder why muddypaws won't respond and answer why he didn't verify what he was really buying? We all know that since he last logged on yesterday at 4 in the afternoon he's seen these posts.....

come on tim, why you mad bro
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I wonder why muddypaws won't respond and answer why he didn't verify what he was really buying? We all know that since he last logged on yesterday at 4 in the afternoon he's seen these posts.....

come on tim, why you mad bro
I'd guess because he was just trying to do others a favour by pointing out a possible bad seller, when everyone jumped on his case saying it was his own fault, and he should know better. Personally if a person outright lies about something he is selling, regardless whether I fall for it and buy it or I call him on it and prove him wrong, I feel it is worthwhile for me to let the rest of the wheeling community know the guy is a possible douche seller.

Thanks Tim, I know I will not be doing any deals with anyone with Braden for a last name.
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Old May 17th, 2013, 08:10 AM   #92
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there is alot of anger in this thread.. its sad to see that you cant trust anyone's word anymore.

i guess i need to bring a whole tool kit when i buy something to confirm that it is true and exact.
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I'd guess because he was just trying to do others a favour by pointing out a possible bad seller, when everyone jumped on his case saying it was his own fault, and he should know better. Personally if a person outright lies about something he is selling, regardless whether I fall for it and buy it or I call him on it and prove him wrong, I feel it is worthwhile for me to let the rest of the wheeling community know the guy is a possible douche seller.

Thanks Tim, I know I will not be doing any deals with anyone with Braden for a last name.

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Old May 17th, 2013, 08:39 AM   #94
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I'd guess because he was just trying to do others a favour by pointing out a possible bad seller, when everyone jumped on his case saying it was his own fault, and he should know better. Personally if a person outright lies about something he is selling, regardless whether I fall for it and buy it or I call him on it and prove him wrong, I feel it is worthwhile for me to let the rest of the wheeling community know the guy is a possible douche seller.

Thanks Tim, I know I will not be doing any deals with anyone with Braden for a last name.
Well it certainly seems there's a lot more to the story that timmy doesn't want to share.

This guy may or may not be as bad of a seller as timmy is trying to pass him off as......That's why I am curious about more information here.
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I wonder why muddypaws won't respond and answer why he didn't verify what he was really buying? We all know that since he last logged on yesterday at 4 in the afternoon he's seen these posts.....

come on tim, why you mad bro
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Tim aka Muddy Paws is mentally ill . He needs help and I hope at the very least he walks away from this mess with a lesson that cannot be taught in the curriculum he teaches to kids !!
People like this need an alert tattooed to their forehead !
I'm very surprised he passed requirements given to folks to be able to teach in our public school system ! Scary shit right there !!
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Old May 17th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #97
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Wait, you paid $1000 MORE because you THOUGHT it had chromo shafts, or you paid $1,000 in total for the vehicle?
I don't wish to continue this, I got my point across but i'll respond to you because I have nothing to hide. I didn't pay 1000 MORE because he said it had the shafts, I paid for the totality of the parts that were there...or supposed to be there. The 1000 is what it costs to make it what it was supposed to be.

It doesn't matter what was paid for it. What matters is that the guy lied about it. That's all I wanted to convey here. That he is not to be trusted and to warn other people.

For the record, when I found out about it, I tried to work it out with him. I even found a used set for 300 bucks and asked him to make it right. He didn't want to make it right. A man is only as good as his word and his is no good.

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going to court over it woudl depend how much was at stake, and how back the person pissed me off when I talked with them about the mis-representation.
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I wonder why muddypaws won't respond and answer why he didn't verify what he was really buying? We all know that since he last logged on yesterday at 4 in the afternoon he's seen these posts.....

come on tim, why you mad bro
To tell you the truth I didn't look at this thread. I got my point across and was done with it. I logged in to respond to a PM that I got an e-mail alert for.

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This is where I disagree. Based on my speculation, which muddy whiner won't confirm, the sole reason to choose this truck was the axle shafts and the price of the truck compared to ther similar options out there......
The shafts were not the sole reason I bought the truck.

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You don't have to tear the whole axle down to verify, did he ask for receipts? Did he ask for the stock shafts that were removed? was the $1,000 worth enough to him that a few minutes of verifying what he bought would have saved him a trip back to court to try and sue the guy? What about the seller claiming to offer a receipt and he refused? Did he not want "as is" in writing?
The seller hasn't even posted. I don't know what you mean about offering a receipt and me not wanting one and not wanting "as is" put on it. I have the title with the price and a signature.

I did ask for receipts. He didn't have them. Dad, who was older and thought was ok said they had installed them when they did the gears, like I said and he "guaranteed" it with his word which now I know means nothing. That's on me. Hopefully no one else gets burned by them.

A few minutes of verifying?

Jack it up
put it on stands
pull the tire
remove pads and calipers
remove hub
remove wheel bearings
remove the rotor
remove spindle
then pull the shaft out
put it back in
put spindle back on
put put rotor back on
set bearings
put hub back on
put caliper and pads on
put tire on
lower vehicle

That's a lot more than a couple minutes...and that's just the front. That job books at 2.4 labor hours. So is that practical? In a perfect world, sure. In the real world, not so much. Even if I was willing, would you let some guy off the street take apart your daily driver for that? What if I broke something or damaged something doing it? Just isn't very realistic.

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I also speculate that this deal felt fishy when he bought a truck with mismatched gears and axles, a cracked frame, a misfiring engine etc. He knew damn well what he was getting and buying and he thought he was getting a deal until he got hoime. He knew damn well what he might have been getting into but he still chose to buy it. Now he's just pissed he spent the money now that he has had the chance to take it home and check it out.
I didn't buy it for what it DIDN'T have. I bought it for what it DID have....or what it was supposed to have. Those things it didn't have didn't matter to me. The frame had rust in the rear. I knew that. I didn't care. Even if it had a brand new frame, it was getting chopped off and bobbed. I didn't buy it for the gears so that wasn't an issue, it was getting new gears anyway. It had a limited slip front end and I knew that was coming out. It didn't have mismatched axles. It had a SAS conversion done in the front. Again, didn't buy it for what it didn't have. What else it didn't have is irrelevant. I have never said anything about the gears or anything else. My ONLY issue was the shafts that he lied about. Everything else was exactly as stated, as advertised and as seen.

If this saves another person from getting burned by these guys, then mission accomplished. Tis the power of the internet. Many people on here have been saved trouble by others listing their experiences. I just offer mine regarding this guy.

This isn't the only place I posted this and from those outlets I have learned more damaging information about Micah Braden that I have not posted. The lies about the shafts are all I was concerned about.

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Old May 18th, 2013, 05:41 AM   #99
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You don't have to do all that to get the shaft out....look up the "camo" method.....you can get the shaft out of the front in ~10 mins.....seems worth it
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Old May 18th, 2013, 05:48 AM   #100
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5 cents worth of free advice: Without everything on paper, going to court will get you nothing but embarrassment.
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