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Old May 8th, 2013, 09:11 PM   #1
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I want a new wheelset.

I have some crap tastic formula hubs and some Rimz (whatever comes on a pretty stock CAAD8)

Recommend me a set that will be better than the one I currently ride on, and won't cost more than my Fiat.
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I have a question. how heavy are you?

the reason I ask is that some rims have a certain amount of flex when the go with large spacing in spoke patterns. my 3 sets of Aerospoke's were very flexible due to only having 5 spokes. they tended to give a slight bounce(mostly on the rear due to weight) and that translates into flex failure after a certain amount time/cycles in motion. some folks love the high profile rims with a 12 or 16 spoke design if you are under 220lbs that would be good. if your heavier I would look at better supported wheel.
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I have a question. how heavy are you?

the reason I ask is that some rims have a certain amount of flex when the go with large spacing in spoke patterns. my 3 sets of Aerospoke's were very flexible due to only having 5 spokes. they tended to give a slight bounce(mostly on the rear due to weight) and that translates into flex failure after a certain amount time/cycles in motion. some folks love the high profile rims with a 12 or 16 spoke design if you are under 220lbs that would be good. if your heavier I would look at better supported wheel.
I am the fattest I've ever been in my life, about 165.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 09:37 PM   #4
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Thats huge!
just joking. when I rode regular I had/have campy hubs and NISI Toro rims. at 175lbs I broke spokes regular like. even carried spare in my pouch. as of late I have been maintaining a triathlon bike for a buddy. he has the advantage of being very small(about 155) his bike is as light as fly shit. he has the mavic supers if I remember right with a 16 spoke pattern.
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Thats huge!
just joking. when I rode regular I had/have campy hubs and NISI Toro rims. at 175lbs I broke spokes regular like. even carried spare in my pouch. as of late I have been maintaining a triathlon bike for a buddy. he has the advantage of being very small(about 155) his bike is as light as fly shit. he has the mavic supers if I remember right with a 16 spoke pattern.
You can be heavy and ride super light wheels and not bend them or break spokes. It is all in how you lace them, the nipples you use, spoke size and most importantly don't ride like a retard. I rode competitively for a few years while I was working at a shop and I have owned many, many bikes. I have never broke a spoke in my life with the exception of one set of cyclocross wheel that I built like a moron. They were Sachs hubs and mavic sup rims. The mistake I made was using aluminum nipples and straight laced the front. The wheels I have on my bike now are mavic ksyriums that I bought 12 years ago. I have never even touched them with a truing wrench. Those are a 1600 gram wheelset. I weigh around 225 but I ride smooth.
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Damn 12-16 spokes? I would be so scared

I get nervous from time to time on my XC bike and I think I am running 28 spokes.

My DH bike has 32 and I pop spokes or bend/flat spot a wheel about twice a season
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http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...d=321119386156

These are what I ride. They are $1000 a set when I got mine so these are a good price.
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These are what I ride. They are $1000 a set when I got mine so these are a good price.
I'd hope they are a good price, they are 10 year old wheels
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I'd hope they are a good price, they are 10 year old wheels
Bikes haven't made any big upgrades in the last 10 years. My 2001 ciocc eom16.5 with campy record carbon components isn't any behind a brand new bike in any way except the date it was built. It is a steel framed 59cm bike that weighs in at 18#. As long as the wheels haven't been rode to death they are still top of the line.
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Bikes haven't made any big upgrades in the last 10 years. My 2001 ciocc eom16.5 with campy record carbon components isn't any behind a brand new bike in any way except the date it was built. It is a steel framed 59cm bike that weighs in at 18#. As long as the wheels haven't been rode to death they are still top of the line.
ummmm.....maybe road bikes, and maybe certain parts of bikes haven't made any major upgrades, but rear hubs have gotten better. Case in point mavic has made 2 or 3 legitamate updates to their rear hubs for MTB purposes just in the last few years.....or at least their marketing group would lead you to believe that.
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my LBS guy keeps trying to get me on some velocity pro builds. Should be about $850 for a set.
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velocity wheels are still a michigan based company right?
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Yeah last I knew. They make some sick 29er MTB wheels that roll for days.


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ummmm.....maybe road bikes, and maybe certain parts of bikes haven't made any major upgrades, but rear hubs have gotten better. Case in point mavic has made 2 or 3 legitamate updates to their rear hubs for MTB purposes just in the last few years.....or at least their marketing group would lead you to believe that.
What is better about them? I got a Gary fisher 29er a couple years ago that was pretty top of the line and I wouldn't say it was any better than the late 90s voodoo bizango that I used to ride. In the late 90s early 2000s is when I feel bikes hit a plateau. For road bikes they limit you to 15# and you must have a double diamond frame to race. That made companies not attempt to make lighter components and frames. Directional carbon fiber was basically perfected in that era so you can have a Plush ride and have it be stiff side to side. Suspension geometry on mtb's hasn't gotten any better. Suspension lockouts were also just as good then as they are now. Disk brakes were also just as good then as now. They tried adding mores gears but all that did is make it so you have to have a more narrow finicky chain. There is no new materials that make anything lighter or stronger.

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I have built dozens of velocity wheels and they were always bombproof. I don't know if they are lighter now than they were 10 years ago but that was their one downfall is that they were heavy. My dad still has the velocity's I build for him 10+ years ago on his voodoo mtb and they are still going strong.
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What is better about them? I got a Gary fisher 29er a couple years ago that was pretty top of the line and I wouldn't say it was any better than the late 90s voodoo bizango that I used to ride. In the late 90s early 2000s is when I feel bikes hit a plateau. For road bikes they limit you to 15# and you must have a double diamond frame to race. That made companies not attempt to make lighter components and frames. Directional carbon fiber was basically perfected in that era so you can have. Plush ride and have or still be stuff side to side. Suspension geometry on mtb's hasn't gotten any better. Suspension lockouts were also just as good then as they are now. Disk brakes were also just as good then as now. They tried adding mores gears but all that did is make it so you have to have a more narrow finicky chain. There is no new materials that make anything lighter or stronger.
Again, I said maybe road bikes haven't changed much. I am not exactly sure what mavic has changed with their hubs, but I do know that when I was researching a wheelset this winter that there was mention of changes due to reliability.

As for mountain bikes, the difference in frame design, handling, suspension, and basically everything has made LEAPS and BOUNDS in just the last 3-4 years, let alone the last 10.
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Again, I said maybe road bikes haven't changed much. I am not exactly sure what mavic has changed with their hubs, but I do know that when I was researching a wheelset this winter that there was mention of changes due to reliability.

As for mountain bikes, the difference in frame design, handling, suspension, and basically everything has made LEAPS and BOUNDS in just the last 3-4 years, let alone the last 10.
Instead of making broad statements like "it is better" use examples of how it is better. You sound like the typical gl4x4 mouth breather that read some shit on the Internet and then turns around and pukes it out like their own idea. You are better than that kickstand
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Since I quit working at the bike shop full time 11 1/2 years ago I go back occasionally and help out when they are short handed. The shop deals in a lot of high end custom bikes and they have a very elite clientele. When I was there full time it wasn't uncommon to sell $4,500- $8,000 bikes so I have rode and build the best of the best. Going back and working occasionally I see all the newest technology coming out. There is no doubt that bikes are better now than then but there isn't any huge improvements. Look at the changes from 1980 to 1990, 1990 to 2000 and 2000 to 2010. 2000 was most definitely a plateau.
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I used to be a big bike tech geek, but have been out of the loop for many years. All I know is my 1994-ish OCLV carbon frame, Deore XT components, Gore Cables and King Hubs still work flawlessly. Cross country Mt.bikes might be a pound or 2 lighter now a days, but I highly doubt that they peddle any easier or shift any smoother than my bike.
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You guys suck I was expecting to come in here and have an answer or have some comments about me looking sexy in spandex.

But fine argue about mountain bikes
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