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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:34 PM   #21
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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:41 PM   #22
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Did Remington tell you that?
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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:47 PM   #23
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Did Remington tell you that?
Where's the rest of that quote?


The Army taught me that. If a firearm is in good working order there is no way it'll "accidentally" discharge. It can go off due to negligent behavior though. Perfect example is the asshole who shot his desk in a bank.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:50 PM   #24
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Did Remington tell you that?
Oh... and improperly modified and poorly maintained weapons (as mentioned with your Remington reference to the lawsuits they faced) are perfect examples of negligent behavior.
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I disagree. It can happen for a lot of reasons. My one and only AD was when I was about 16. At that time I was shooting about 500 a week for practice and competitions every Saturday and most Sundays. I was putting the hammer down on my Henry Golden Boy after not getting the shot I wanted at a wood chuck. Needless to say I almost puked. It can happen for a lot of reasons. Not always the fault of the operator. That's why it's called "accidental".
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Old April 26th, 2013, 02:07 PM   #26
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Have you ever messed with a single action revolver?

It's VERY easy to pop a round off letting that hammer down.

Still negligent... He was 16 and learned a damn valuable lesson from it... but not something to throw bleach it.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 02:11 PM   #27
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Have you ever messed with a single action revolver?

It's VERY easy to pop a round off letting that hammer down.

Still negligent... He was 16 and learned a damn valuable lesson from it... but not something to throw bleach it.
Yep, been there. the difference I guess is when I make a mistake I call it operator error, I dont just say "hey, it happens."
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Old April 26th, 2013, 02:20 PM   #28
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LOL not the fault of the operator? So its the gun's fault? So do you believe that people don't shoot others, its the gun's fault. Accidental, meaning it wasn't intended to happen, but the operator fucked up and it did. Please unload your weapons and lock them up. I don't want them going off accidentally.
A good example would be Winchester 97's. they slam fire all the time. To me that is a perfect example of an AD or if you rather an unintentional discharge. My story that happened to me was 100% my fault. However I did not mean it to happen the hammer slipped. Because I was handling the firearm in a safe manner nobody was harmed.

Accident: An unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.

I guess we should call Webster. It seems the true definition is an intentional incident purposely caused by an individual.

Negligence aside if its was not intentional it was an accident by definition. The guy in the story I assume had not intentions of shooting his desk. Much like people in an automobile accident rarely intend to crash. Even thought often it is operator error it would be an accident right?
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Yep, been there. the difference I guess is when I make a mistake I call it operator error, I dont just say "hey, it happens."
Can you show me where I said that that incident "just happened"? Or where I placed any blame on anyone or thing? I also replied saying it was my fault. However very unintentional. Read the definition I posted.

I feel very confident in saying I have shot WAY more rounds out if single action revolvers, lever actions, and hammered shot guns than probably anyone on here. That said it can happen to very skilled operators.
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Can you show me where I said that that incident "just happened"? Or where I placed any blame on anyone or thing? I also replied saying it was my fault. However very unintentional. Read the definition I posted.

I feel very confident in saying I have shot WAY more rounds out if single action revolvers, lever actions, and hammered shot guns than probably anyone on here. That said it can happen to very skilled operators.
I am in complete agreement with you. I have experience with custom single action revolvers and they can be VERY dangerous. You let your focus slip for one second with one in your hand and a round goes downrange. That still doesn't make it the pistols fault and you more than acknowledged that. I'm willing to bet that you never had it happen again after that first time.
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Not always the fault of the operator.
If this is you claiming reponsibility, then I apologize for the bleach comment.
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I am in complete agreement with you. I have experience with custom single action revolvers and they can be VERY dangerous. You let your focus slip for one second with one in your hand and a round goes downrange. That still doesn't make it the pistols fault and you more than acknowledged that. I'm willing to bet that you never had it happen again after that first time.
Except that the Henry Golden Boy is a lever action rifle. Sounds like someone cycled it after his shot.
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Except that the Henry Golden Boy is a lever action rifle. Sounds like someone cycled it after his shot.
I was thinking revolver.


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Except that the Henry Golden Boy is a lever action rifle. Sounds like someone cycled it after his shot.
Read it again, sounds like he went to shoot at a woodchuck and couldn't get a good shot, so he went to uncock the hammer on the rifle to safe and it discharged. I'm guessing wet/sweaty fingers and the hammer slipped and fired.
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If this is you claiming reponsibility, then I apologize for the bleach comment.
Read "not ALWAYS". That was 100% my fault.

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Except that the Henry Golden Boy is a lever action rifle. Sounds like someone cycled it after his shot.
Same concept. The golden boy in question was short stroked and had level light springs. That had nothing to do with letting the hammer down. I had loaded a few rounds I. The tube with the hammer down on an empty chamber. I cycled the action and the shot did not present itself. While letting the hammer down it went off after slipping off my thumb.
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Read it again, sounds like he went to shoot at a woodchuck and couldn't get a good shot, so he went to uncock the hammer on the rifle to safe and it discharged. I'm guessing wet/sweaty fingers and the hammer slipped and fired.
This combined with rushing as I was going to reposition. The cold hard fact was I allowed my focus to slip to 99% not 100 and I fucked up. We call those accidents, fuck ups, brain farts, so on amd so on.
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Why would you wish to be armed and planning your escape? if someone was going to rob the bank just let them. "your" money is insured and protected. With modern cameras that are in a bank there is a 95% chance of them getting caught so let the professionals handle things Charlie Bronson before you get your own death wish.
My first thought was that it was an employee that went off the deep end, not a robbery. You might be surprised what goes thru your head when you hear a gunshot in your work place. I would never consider confronting a robber. BTW I have been thru one bank robbery and my wife has been thru 5 - none involved a weapon.
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When I hear a gunshot at work, I assume someone just shot a four legged creature.
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