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Old December 7th, 2006, 09:17 PM   #1
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Anyone watch this yet? Ideas? It's a pretty liberal documentary, but some good info.

I think consumers killed the electric car personally... afraid of the range I assume.
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Anyone watch this yet? Ideas? It's a pretty liberal documentary, but some good info.

I think consumers killed the electric car personally... afraid of the range I assume.
I'm not surprised really that it didn't take off. I mean how many tons of coal does it take to charge one up and how does that compare to amount of gas you burn? I was "told" that you put more greenhouse gases in the air when you charged an electric car than when you drove a golf or a jetta.


Personally I'm not a fan of either that or a hybrid till the technology gets cheaper.
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I'm not surprised really that it didn't take off. I mean how many tons of coal does it take to charge one up and how does that compare to amount of gas you burn? I was "told" that you put more greenhouse gases in the air when you charged an electric car than when you drove a golf or a jetta.
Average Joe consumer doesn't care about that though.
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Average Joe consumer doesn't care about that though.
Yes but have you seen the average joe that buys one of those things? They're mostly well informed enough to know that something like that is a pipe dream anyways.
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is there a video about this monkey evil ? or movie

to hard to understand, the consumers dont like to be the first to adopt new technology, its a hard sell so that keeps volume down which keeps prices high which hurts it also.
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I think you are right...the range worries people, and the speed. I mean you can't just jump in one of these suckers and drive down to Disney World in 19 hours.
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The EV1 did 0-60 in 8.5 seconds and had a top speed of 80mph... so it wasn't THAT slow. Range was about 130 miles max...

But with the newer NHiM batteries in the same car (even though they were all crushed) that range would be 300 miles today.
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http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/
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The EV1 did 0-60 in 8.5 seconds and had a top speed of 80mph... so it wasn't THAT slow. Range was about 130 miles max...

But with the newer NHiM batteries in the same car (even though they were all crushed) that range would be 300 miles today.
didnt GM subsidize the EVI they were not marketable at an affordable price i thought they cost like 200 grand to make and they leased them for like the price of a 20 grand car and still no one wanted them.

Not doubting the performance. But the performance at a price people would pay would prolly suck donkey ballz
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I imagine that GM was loosing money on them... but now Toyota is making money with their hybrid program...

Shit, shouldn't have said that, now it's going to be a domestic vs import flame fest...
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Lack of technology killed the electric car.

GM took a better shot at it than anyone else. Range was a big problem. Sure, maybe with new technology they could have gotten it up to 300 miles but that only tells part of the story. The other part is how long does it take to recharge. My jeep struggles to go 300 miles on a tank, but it's not a problem because I just stop at a gas station in 10 minutes it's all filled up and ready to go another 300 miles. Most electric batterys take much longer to charge.

Another thing to think about is whether the power grid can handle it. Remember the shortages in California a few years ago? How much worse would of it been if in addition to people turning on thier air contitioners when they got home from work if they had to plug thier cars in to recharge as well?
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watched it in my technology class.
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Range was a big problem. Sure, maybe with new technology they could have gotten it up to 300 miles but that only tells part of the story. The other part is how long does it take to recharge. My jeep struggles to go 300 miles on a tank, but it's not a problem because I just stop at a gas station in 10 minutes it's all filled up and ready to go another 300 miles. Most electric batterys take much longer to charge.
I guess it depends on the person. I commute 8 miles a day. I can't afford to have 3 vehicles, I like having a tow rig, and I drive more than 100 miles a day at least once a month. So I have to do it in a 3/4 ton truck, BUT that doesn't mean there aren't others that don't drive more than 100 miles a day EVER.

With the second gen batteries the EV1 took 22 hours from full empty to full charge on 110 power, and 7-8 hours on 220. So it would work fine for people that don't commute more than 100 miles a day, and don't take long car trips. Which I would guess is a lot more of the population than we think.

I think a big problem is that people want freedom. It's the reason there are so many 4wd SUV's on the road... They have never USED 4wd, but they like to know it's there.

Yes that would have sucked for CA with the power grid problem.
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Another thing to think about is whether the power grid can handle it. Remember the shortages in California a few years ago? How much worse would of it been if in addition to people turning on thier air contitioners when they got home from work if they had to plug thier cars in to recharge as well?
I agree with this. What would happen if New York adopted this, too? Could the northeast tax the grid and have another power outage like a few summers ago?

Did this documentary talk about how much people's electric bills went up with charging their car? I've never heard, but I wonder if it saved money. Is power per kW/h cheaper than gas in MPG?
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Is power per kW/h cheaper than gas in MPG?
Only when you run an extension cord to your neighbors house :tonka:

More than anything, i think oil/gasoline needs some real competition....just dont know how thatll come about
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Only when you run an extension cord to your neighbors house :tonka:
Yeah, especially since most newer cars have anti-siphon devices. For the past few years, my MPG has been dropping.
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GM's rebuttal...

http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/fastlane_Blog_2.html

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Lastly, because the movie made some harsh criticisms of GM for discontinuing the EV1, let me set the record straight:

* GM spent more than $1 billion developing the EV1 including significant sums on marketing and incentives to develop a mass market for it.
* Only 800 vehicles were leased during a four-year period.
* No other major automotive manufacturer is producing a pure electric vehicle for use on public roads and highways.
* A waiting list of 5,000 only generated 50 people willing to follow through to a lease.
* Because of low demand for the EV1, parts suppliers quit making replacement parts making future repair and safety of the vehicles difficult to nearly impossible.
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The movie talked about everything but the last point. I assumed the last point though. Half of the video was about hippies wanting to buy their lease EV1's... and I don't believe that was ever an option anyway.
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The movie talked about everything but the last point. I assumed the last point though. Half of the video was about hippies wanting to buy their lease EV1's... and I don't believe that was ever an option anyway.

I suspect liability was a big part of why GM didn't want to sell them. Without more research they could never perdict what would happen to those vehicles when they started to wear out. All it would take would be 1 person zapped by a failing electrical system and they'ed be paying out another billion in a lawsuit.
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A recipe for disaster:

3-phase 300 volts
no replacement parts
no dealer service due to no parts
1 eco-nut with some radio shack parts trying to patch up their flux capacitor

Add it up, and it's a $3 billion dollar lawsuit!
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