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Old April 11th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #21
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Alot of that trail was clear cut last year when I was there from DOA.
AAhh... so you were the other yellow YJ. I meant to stroll over and say hi, but didn't get the chance.
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last five years I've been going there, there has been logging going on everywhere.

the last two years there was a gigantic clear cut in the middle of the Tight and twisties. it was still enjoyable. it picked back up just before that that big water hole that you drop into.

there is a small Rock Hill that's pretty fun not far from the four corners. Steve Walker calls it the mini turtle Ridge. last year all the trees had ribbons on them. I'm curious next month to see what happened :-(

some areas that were clear cut fields five years ago are already coming back. we were commenting last year on how big the sapling trees were.

the entrance to the TT trail where you went in off the main road on an angle..... that section is all gone too?
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I know you guys want to blame only the loggers but unless you work for a logging company and know how it works you need to take a step back and ask.. The company my hubby works for will not take "state" jobs even though they pay a little more than private jobs.. The reason is, when doing a state job all bets are off.. The company can do whatever they please as long as they abide by one rule... The state will tell the logging co which trails they want closed and to make sure that those trails dont just have a tree here and there but to make it so you wouldn't know the trail was ever there... And a company not cutting a state job has rules about the roads they use.. They are required to maintain/fix/improve the road as they are using it or when done.. If the company doesn't they could face huge fines.. On a state job, ruin a road... OH well just close it down.. (there are lots like that around here..)
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Take some miracle grow with you when you go there, sprinkle it everywhere and in a month or two it should all be back, even better too.
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last five years I've been going there, there has been logging going on everywhere.

the last two years there was a gigantic clear cut in the middle of the Tight and twisties. it was still enjoyable. it picked back up just before that that big water hole that you drop into.

there is a small Rock Hill that's pretty fun not far from the four corners. Steve Walker calls it the mini turtle Ridge. last year all the trees had ribbons on them. I'm curious next month to see what happened :-(

some areas that were clear cut fields five years ago are already coming back. we were commenting last year on how big the sapling trees were.

the entrance to the TT trail where you went in off the main road on an angle..... that section is all gone too?


I wonder if that is the area you are talking about...

IIRC there were little flags and markings all over the trees around there.
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I know you guys want to blame only the loggers but unless you work for a logging company and know how it works you need to take a step back and ask.. The company my hubby works for will not take "state" jobs even though they pay a little more than private jobs.. The reason is, when doing a state job all bets are off.. The company can do whatever they please as long as they abide by one rule... The state will tell the logging co which trails they want closed and to make sure that those trails dont just have a tree here and there but to make it so you wouldn't know the trail was ever there... And a company not cutting a state job has rules about the roads they use.. They are required to maintain/fix/improve the road as they are using it or when done.. If the company doesn't they could face huge fines.. On a state job, ruin a road... OH well just close it down.. (there are lots like that around here..)
I think, based on what you said, it still comes down to the loggers involved. Just that its a state job affords them the luxury of not having to give a fukc about what they ruin in the process.

I get that there are responsible companies out there and yada yada yada.

But at the end of the day the logging on that island does far more damage than a few offroaders ever could dream of.
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I don't understand why they would log drummond island...unless it was private land and the owner wanted to have it logged out.


That said drummond island is WAY over rated.
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I don't understand why they would log drummond island...unless it was private land and the owner wanted to have it logged out.
That's what I cant wrap my brain around. All the other trees in this damn state and we take it off a island. Why don't they move to mackinaw island next? There are plenty of trees there right?

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That's what I cant wrap my brain around. All the other trees in this damn state and we take it off a island. Why don't they move to mackinaw island next? There are plenty of trees there right?
you suck at quotes

THe only other thing I could think of as to why you would log on the island, is like I mentioned, private land. OR, if it is on state land there are some forestry benefits to certain types of logging, but thats not typically clear cutting and such, thats usually more select cutting type logging.

It really is a head scratcher.

Oh, and for the drummond faithful, drummond island is a cool place, it just didn't tickle my fancy and I think its over rated. I'm not saying it sucks, just that people think its a lot cooler than I thought it was.
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THe only other thing I could think of as to why you would log on the island, is like I mentioned, private land. OR, if it is on state land there are some forestry benefits to certain types of logging, but thats not typically clear cutting and such, thats usually more select cutting type logging.
I messed around with that for awhile, then gave up. This one better?


Either way I know they grow back in 10-15 yrs but why anyone would allow the island to be logged is beyond me, private or state. I just hate to see these messes that loggers leave behind, I see it all the time around here but they are snowmobile trails, and even with snow on top and groomed there are still trenches. Just don't see how we as 4x4 community do more damage then them. Its just sad to look at a nice thick forest turn into miles of stumps.

oh and I have never been there yet, so I have no opinion other than I waited too long to go so I have plans to check it out this year.
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I messed around with that for awhile, then gave up. This one better?


Either way I know they grow back in 10-15 yrs but why anyone would allow the island to be logged is beyond me, private or state. I just hate to see these messes that loggers leave behind, I see it all the time around here but they are snowmobile trails, and even with snow on top and groomed there are still trenches. Just don't see how we as 4x4 community do more damage then them.
we don't, but as whiterhino mentioned, they bring about a lot more money, jobs, and economic impact than the ORV users ever could.
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I think, based on what you said, it still comes down to the loggers involved. Just that its a state job affords them the luxury of not having to give a fukc about what they ruin in the process.

Well kinda.. The state will tell them how to do the clear cut and to make it a mess. Thats why certain companies do most of the state jobs. State wants the area screwed and the company gets it done..

I get that there are responsible companies out there and yada yada yada.

But at the end of the day the logging on that island does far more damage than a few offroaders ever could dream of.
I competely agree, my point was not all logging companies are out to destroy everything.. so dont blame every logger but like others have said, Why the hell are they logging on the island to start with???
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I wonder if that is the area you are talking about...

IIRC there were little flags and markings all over the trees around there.
that very well could be the hill I am talking about. it looks a lot more stripped than last year :-(
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Old April 12th, 2013, 09:39 PM   #34
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Another Sad Panda here..... agreed that was one of our favorite trails as well. Guess I won't get the chance to try a bigger rig than a Wrangler.
Made it through it last summer in my '79 cherokee chief. Loved the trail. This sucks. Hope they get drug through the mud enough it keeps them from clearing more of the island.
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I got back Sunday from a trip to Drummond.

The tight and twistys is toast

The funnest part is all logged out, and I think they brought in gravel to make the trail more solid. It used to be wet and a cedar swamp.

They still have arrows like they have on all trails, but I am not even sure if the trail is the same trail. The only thing that looks the same, is how it went in off the main road on an angle.

The last two years there was a big "hole" in the middle where it was all clear cut, and then trail picked back up in the woods at the big water hole you drip into.

This year we came in the opposite way, and it took a bit to figure out we were in the TT's.

The good thing is the clear cut is growing up fast.


I have onboard video of the TT's with the clear cut in the middle, showing a still awesome trail on each end of the clear cut. I also have video showing what it looks like today.

I will get them up to youtube and post them when I can.

You are going to be sick when you see it......especially if you have been there before all this.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 04:37 PM   #36
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Tim already talked with the DNR about it. Complete bullshit, we found that this spring :pissed:
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i doubt ill go back to drummond now.

talking to the dnr wont help. they want all the trails closed or paved.
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Rode the Atlanta ATV trail last weekend. In two places it was freshly logged to the point you couldn't find the trail. No trees, trail... Nothing. Had to hunt for where it started again.

I thought they were supposed to stay some distance off the trails and leave trees along them.
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The first video shows from what I call the "entrance" of the trail, to the clear cutting in the middle. This is May,2011. If you go left from the video end, you come to the 2nd part of the trail, where you drop down into the large water hole.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP36r...ature=youtu.be




The 2nd Video is from right about where the 1st one ends, in May 2013, and goes back to the entrance. The trail is still marked, but as you can see.....it's terrible.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUyqn...ature=youtu.be



The saplings in the middle of the trail from 2 years ago's cutting are about 3 feet tall.
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Thanks for posting these Tim.
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