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Old April 7th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #1
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I've got a 91 YJ came with 2.5" lift springs and 2.5" shackles. Not realizing it was already lifted (New to jeeps) I did a SOA conversion to add yet another 5.5" obviously 10.5" is way tall. But my question is with the full length k20 axles I just put under it what would be a reasonable lift height setting on some 38s? Eventually I want to buy a set of tube fenders and cut out my rear wheel wells to make them a bit taller as well.
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How did you not notice 5 inches of lift?

I'd start by getting some stock length shackles. More than likely you still won't need to cut the body.

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how will cutting out the fenders make it taller?

depends on what you wanna do with it? mud?? trails? street? rocks?


give us a little more of an idea.
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Full width axles have nothing to do with your lift. Your lift should be based on the needed clearance to run a certain tire. Anything higher is a waste and raises your center of gravity higher than needed. Being new to the jeep thing makes me wonder why you blasted right into a SOA conversion. Why? Somebody tell you it's the cool thing to do? There is a lot that goes into a properly done SOA and adding it to an existing lift and a shackle lift without realizing it was there makes me wonder if you did it properly. A SOA by it self will usually clear 38's or come close to it. Put the tires on, flex it out and see if you can pull the shackle lift back out.
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Old April 8th, 2013, 08:29 AM   #5
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First off in no way did anyone need to be an ass (unless that's the cool thing to do these days) I'm new to jeeps not 4 wheelin. Axle length does play a role in how tall you can go. The wider your axles the lower your center of gravity I'm just trying to figure out how much. I blasted right into it cause I bought it pretty as much a bare frame and tub so I had a clean slate. I'm asking you guys (which was obviously a mistake) because I'm trying to do it properly. Cutting the fenders does not make the jeep taller it makes it so I can clear taller tires with going ridiculously high with my lift what fantasy world are you living in
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Old April 8th, 2013, 08:36 AM   #6
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First off in no way did anyone need to be an ass (unless that's the cool thing to do these days) I'm new to jeeps not 4 wheelin. Axle length does play a role in how tall you can go. The wider your axles the lower your center of gravity I'm just trying to figure out how much. I blasted right into it cause I bought it pretty as much a bare frame and tub so I had a clean slate. I'm asking you guys (which was obviously a mistake) because I'm trying to do it properly. Cutting the fenders does not make the jeep taller it makes it so I can clear taller tires with going ridiculously high with my lift what fantasy world are you living in
ease up cowboy, you defended your ignorance but didn't answer any of the questions asked of you to help you decide what to do next.

Were the shackles 2.5" lift shackles or 2.5" longer than stock?

If they were 2.5" longer than stock they only added about an inch of lift.

Ditch the shackles, run the 2.5" springs, and you can probably clear some 38-40" tires with some fender trimming, decent flex, and a fair amount of stability with the added axle width.

As an example I ran 36" tires with trimmed fenders and a 3.5" lift SUA. I prefer the SUA because you run into less steering issues, less axle wrap, and it requires less fabrication (something I don't have a pole barn full of tools for).

Provide some more information and you'll get some more advice.
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Sounds like someone is having a meltdown already.

Take your meds and chill.

Anything over 6" is too much

You can actually not lift it much if at all if you don't mind cutting the body to fit the tiars!
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First off in no way did anyone need to be an ass (unless that's the cool thing to do these days) I'm new to jeeps not 4 wheelin. Axle length does play a role in how tall you can go. The wider your axles the lower your center of gravity I'm just trying to figure out how much.Yes, wider axles help with your center of gravity (which I previously stated) but it doesn't mean that you should go higher than you need to for your tire size. That's why I said to flex it out. I blasted right into it cause I bought it pretty as much a bare frame and tub so I had a clean slate. I'm asking you guys (which was obviously a mistake) because I'm trying to do it properly. It's not a mistake to ask a question. However, that is a question that should have been asked BEFORE you did the SOA. Cutting the fenders does not make the jeep taller it makes it so I can clear taller tiresExactly, which is why people are suggesting cutting fenders instead of such a high lift. with going ridiculously high with my lift what fantasy world are you living in
No one here is living in a fantasy world. The issues you have are that you have a SOA, spring lift and shackle lift. All of those things combined make for steering geometry issues and (in most cases) rear driveshaft angle issues. Add into that, a SOA requires an anti-wrap mechanism as you will see alot of wheel hop and spring wrap. Now, before you get all pissy, I have run a SOA with lift springs, needed an anti-wrap bar and had to tilt my rear axle up so I could run a decent driveshaft angle. So, I'm answering you from experience.

Once again, ditch the lift shackles, flex it out and see where it sits.
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I have friends with 5.5" of lift, full spool, 41's and they love it. I also have friends that went from 5.5 down to 3" for a better street/off road compromise and didn't like 5.5 off road. I also talked with a guy at UOR that went with 3", LA, high line fenders and 40's.

It all boils down to personal preference and what you're going to do with your jeep.

So to better help you out:

What are you planning to do?

Wheel at the mounds and Silver lake?
More hardcore wheeling at like Chadville at the Jeep Blessing?
Do you want to hit every trail at the Bad Lands, Canada and Harlan KY?

Or are are you like me that wants to do a bit of everything and still have it ride and drive down the road at 70 mph.

To be honest with you when I first bought my jeep I changed my mind every month on what I wanted it to look like and what I wanted it do. Then i met Becky and fell in love with her rig. now i dont give a shit what mine looks like because dents and rock rash add character IMO. Take your time, do it right the first time, the way you want it for the future and it'll save you money in the long run.

Additionally, most of us on this forum are ass'es. Don't be surprised if you pose a question and someone comes back with a "go ass fukc your mother". It's part of the game.

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I never intended to be an ass but I will defend myself... Thank you to all those that had productive comment's! I knew I had to have the traction bar to help with the axle wrap. I don't mind gettin' beatin up, ( I have a set of suspension seats!) on the trail's which that will be where most of my time will be spent! My goal was to take it back to stock aside from the SOA so I would just have the 5.5" more than likely 6" with the extra width of the 3/4 ton axles! The shackles were a total of like 6.5 in bolt to bolt which would be like 1 1/4 " over stock correct? The springs after considering tire size (29's which I believe are stock Jeep size), and shackle size roughly 2.25", would mean that spring should be 2.5-2.75 and considering I can't find 2.75" springs they should be 2.5"! Regardless of everything maybe I shouldn't have jump the gun and got pissed at everybody (I fucked up, I appologize, I admit to my mistake) 'cept for they guy who mention something about me having a Meltdown
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Glad to hear you are thinking it through.

I think the comment about the meltdown came from your screen name.
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Glad to hear you are thinking it through.

I think the comment about the meltdown came from your screen name.
I was just going to make that pun. Til I saw it had already been used
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