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Old April 10th, 2013, 12:37 PM   #21
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There is going to be some form of gun control whether it is limiting everybody or attempting to limit the people who are the highest risk. Personally I think it is great that they are attempting to find a real problem instead of saying all guns and gun owners are bad. I think mental health is a huge problem in society today.
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Do you think someone who uses Cymbalta should have their guns taken away?

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Cymbalta is indicated for the treatment of major depressive disorder (MDD). The efficacy of Cymbalta was established in four short-term trials and one maintenance trial in adults.

Cymbalta is indicated for the treatment of generalized anxiety disorder (GAD). The efficacy of Cymbalta was established in three short-term trials and one maintenance trial in adults.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 01:28 PM   #23
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Slippery slope.
I agree. Dont think we want to start down that one.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 01:28 PM   #24
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Do you think someone who uses Cymbalta should have their guns taken away?
Sounds like if they weren't on Cymbalta their guns should be taken away.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 01:37 PM   #25
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Are we going to revoke thier drivers licenses too? Might as well if they are on any type of medication for pain management including medical marijuana. Regardless of having a prescription in MI its still OUID if it "effects your ability" ....


Where do we draw the line?
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Sounds like if they weren't on Cymbalta their guns should be taken away.
Here's the other half of the prescribed uses of Cymbalta:

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Cymbalta is indicated for the management of diabetic peripheral neuropathic pain and fibromyalgia.

Cymbalta is indicated for the management of chronic musculoskeletal pain due to chronic osteoarthritis pain and chronic low back pain.

Why am I pointing this out?


It's simple. Under the criteria that New York state is using to confiscate firearms, ammunition and accessories... Someone who is prescribed Cymbalta for chronic pain will now lose their 2nd Amendment rights. Simply because the same medication they are using to control chronic pain is also used to control manic depression and anxiety. There is no distinction being made. There is no professional medical opinion being considered.

Doctor's already have the ability to declare someone either incompetent or a danger to themselves and others and have their firearms removed. A lot of people in this thread are now advocating that bureaucrats should be able to do the same thing without any formal medical training... nevermind your rights that are guaranteed to you under the 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments.

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Before you guys start campaigning in support of these actions you might want to check your own medicine cabinets to make sure that everything you have isn't also used to treat depression, anxiety or any other mental disorder. Oh and to keep it in perspective... Vitamin D can also be used to help with depression... so if you take a Vitamin D supplement as part of a healthier life style you could very well be lumped in with the people who are psychotics, schizophrenics, multiple personality disorder, severe PTSD and the rest of them.
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Why am I pointing this out?


It's simple. Under the criteria that New York state is using to confiscate firearms, ammunition and accessories... Someone who is prescribed Cymbalta for chronic pain will now lose their 2nd Amendment rights. Simply because the same medication they are using to control chronic pain is also used to control manic depression and anxiety. There is no distinction being made. There is no professional medical opinion being considered.

Doctor's already have the ability to declare someone either incompetent or a danger to themselves and others and have their firearms removed. A lot of people in this thread are now advocating that bureaucrats should be able to do the same thing without any formal medical training... nevermind your rights that are guaranteed to you under the 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments.

So...

Before you guys start campaigning in support of these actions you might want to check your own medicine cabinets to make sure that everything you have isn't also used to treat depression, anxiety or any other mental disorder. Oh and to keep it in perspective... Vitamin D can also be used to help with depression... so if you take a Vitamin D supplement as part of a healthier life style you could very well be lumped in with the people who are psychotics, schizophrenics, multiple personality disorder, severe PTSD and the rest of them.
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...So you agree with the state of New York using your medical records (which they shouldn't have access to and is in fact against federal law) to find an excuse to remove your 2nd Amendment rights and force you to turn in all of your firearms, ammo and accessories?

These aren't people who have been declared incompetent or a threat to themselves and others. They are scouring health records in an attempt to disarm as many people as possible. Under this criteria almost every single Veteran will have their weapons confiscated.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 02:04 PM   #29
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Here's the other half of the prescribed uses of Cymbalta:




Why am I pointing this out?


It's simple. Under the criteria that New York state is using to confiscate firearms, ammunition and accessories... Someone who is prescribed Cymbalta for chronic pain will now lose their 2nd Amendment rights. Simply because the same medication they are using to control chronic pain is also used to control manic depression and anxiety. There is no distinction being made. There is no professional medical opinion being considered.

Doctor's already have the ability to declare someone either incompetent or a danger to themselves and others and have their firearms removed. A lot of people in this thread are now advocating that bureaucrats should be able to do the same thing without any formal medical training... nevermind your rights that are guaranteed to you under the 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments.

So...

Before you guys start campaigning in support of these actions you might want to check your own medicine cabinets to make sure that everything you have isn't also used to treat depression, anxiety or any other mental disorder. Oh and to keep it in perspective... Vitamin D can also be used to help with depression... so if you take a Vitamin D supplement as part of a healthier life style you could very well be lumped in with the people who are psychotics, schizophrenics, multiple personality disorder, severe PTSD and the rest of them.
I don't disagree with what you are saying.

I was disagreeing with greasemonkey.

If you need pills to cope with life, you aren't mentally fit for certain things (IMO).

I kinda feel the same about pain killers in a way too....but thats a whole different subject.

Agreed that our medical records should remain private and protected via the laws of hippa and other.....

somehow, someway they are going to change gun control laws......we need to make sure it is in the best interest of everyone when they do so, thats the hard part.
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I don't disagree with what you are saying.

I was disagreeing with greasemonkey.

If you need pills to cope with life, you aren't mentally fit for certain things (IMO).

I kinda feel the same about pain killers in a way too....but thats a whole different subject.

Agreed that our medical records should remain private and protected via the laws of hippa and other.....

somehow, someway they are going to change gun control laws......we need to make sure it is in the best interest of everyone when they do so, thats the hard part.
My initial example was bad. You just like to disagree with me for the sake of disagreeing with me, even though most of the time we're actually on the same page.
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Summarizing the 2A: "The right to keep and bear arms.......... shall not be infringed."

Just like the anti's don't say the 2A says we get to keep 30 round magazines, the 2A doesn't say we get to restrict a citizen who has not committed a crime.
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do you realize ambien is one of those drugs?
do you realize how many people use ambien?
ambien is used to treat insomnia!

what, are you gonna shoot someone in your sleep?

anyone that goes to someones door, and asks for their guns, should lose their 2nd amendment rights, cause they are bat shit crazy!!!!
it will happen! i think very few will turn in their guns! it will end up being a shoot out, sooner or later!

my next dr will be the coroner! they cant be trusted any more than obama.

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ambien is used to treat insomnia!

what, are you gonna shoot someone in your sleep?
both my parents take that shit and it makes you do all sorts of shit while you are "sleeping" and you don't remember it, you take the pill, wait for it to kick in, and forget to go to bed or what planet your even on.. People who are under it and not asleep are worse then a over intoxicated (alcohol) person, I cant imagine if someone who was taking that actually had to defend themselves.

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both my parents take that shit and it makes you do all sorts of shit while you are "sleeping" and you don't remember it, you take the pill, wait for it to kick in, and forget to go to bed or what planet your even on.. People who are under it and not asleep are worse then a over intoxicated (alcohol) person, I cant imagine if someone who was taking that actually had to defend themselves.
have you taken their guns away?
have you taken their car keys away?
do they have knives in the kitchen?
any flamable liquids in the garage?
do you trust them around your children?
do you lock their doors from the outside at night for our safety?

perhaps they should be institutionalized for their own safety??

where do you draw the line?

does the local police department know about their actions yet?
perhaps we should inform the police for you?
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My initial example was bad. You just like to disagree with me for the sake of disagreeing with me, even though most of the time we're actually on the same page.
No, you just said it yourself, your initial example was bad. I did not agree with that example.
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have you taken their guns away?
have you taken their car keys away?
do they have knives in the kitchen?
any flamable liquids in the garage?
do you trust them around your children?
do you lock their doors from the outside at night for our safety?

perhaps they should be institutionalized for their own safety??

where do you draw the line?

does the local police department know about their actions yet?
perhaps we should inform the police for you?
I was agreeing that people who can have guns and take different prescription pills are not all at risk of hurting others or themselves. Just don't like ambian to be honest. I don't live at home anymore but I can say that they have never hurt themselves or others, but they have fell, done things that they normally wouldn't do. I just always wondered if someone broke it what they would do or how it would play out with the ambian. But where will the gov draw the line? Once they open the can of worms, a lot of the pills and other things out there will be under judgment.

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Has anything more ever been said about the validity of the stuff John Noveske posted on Facebook?
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No, you just said it yourself, your initial example was bad. I did not agree with that example.
Fair enough.
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What was it? Not all of us are gay enough to have fagbook.
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