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Old April 7th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #21
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If the Fords are so bad why do you see so many of them pulling Dodges and Chevys with Duramaxs to the drags, pulling events, etc. ? I know the Cummins and Duramax are much easier and cheaper to get insane power with but the majority of the tow vehicles I've seen are Fords. I also know the 6.0 had it's definite issues and the newer versions while better still may have some issues but the 7.3l powerstrokes or IDI's I have owned have not been as problematic as guys I worked with or know that had Dodges or Chevys. Dodges rust out very quickly were known for lift pump issues and trans failures as well as unit bearing assembly issues. Duramaxs' eat injectors like a crack addict uses crack. Perfect truck would be a Cummins 5.9 vintage in a Superduty.
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Duramaxs have injector issues solely because the fuel they had when they were made high sulfur, was changed to ultra low sulfurdiesel which took away all the lubrication. Simple reason for ppl buying fords because they look at the up front cost of it and think oh look at this deal after they become monetarily bonded to the truck rather then fixing the boat anchor they came with they swap in a Cummins. for the record I've done more injectors, injection pumps(hp oil on Ford's) and ficm ecms on Ford's in the last month then I have done all year on Cummins or duramax. Any thing else?

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If the Fords are so bad why do you see so many of them pulling Dodges and Chevys with Duramaxs to the drags, pulling events, etc. ? I know the Cummins and Duramax are much easier and cheaper to get insane power with but the majority of the tow vehicles I've seen are Fords. I also know the 6.0 had it's definite issues and the newer versions while better still may have some issues but the 7.3l powerstrokes or IDI's I have owned have not been as problematic as guys I worked with or know that had Dodges or Chevys. Dodges rust out very quickly were known for lift pump issues and trans failures as well as unit bearing assembly issues. Duramaxs' eat injectors like a crack addict uses crack. Perfect truck would be a Cummins 5.9 vintage in a Superduty.
ford also had their flamethrower 6.4's too
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if you asking if you can put a chip on a 12v cummins i really dont think you should get into building a pull truck or have the capabilities of doing such a task.
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Btw the 7.3 is only a little less problematic then the 6 blows oil coolers, injectors, oil pans rotting thru, rear main leaks, hp oil pumps. And if you know Ford's you know it's pretty much pull the motor our the cab for any little thing ....to each their own


I haven't seen any 6.4 yet but I haven't heard good things frommy friends that are ford mechanics as far as reliability wise . I've heard great power potential for them but we will see if they hold together

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Well I have a current 2001 7.3 that has had none of these issues and it's whole life has been spent pulling a 5th wheel, fully enclosed 29ft snowmobile trailer 8.5ft wide (steel framed), and my car hauler with a jeep on it. I did have low IP once but that was solved by throwing a new IPR on instead of a new HPOP. It at last testing was still making 3386psi at 42% duty cycle it still has the original UVC harnesses and original glow plug relays. I have replaced the turbo, have put a regulated fuel return system by Diesel Innovations , because I wanted better performance, but replacement of parts has been limited to brake rotors, pads, and ball joints. I found the CPS to be the 7.3l Achilles heel but 10 minutes and you were going again and that was solved by throwing a DT466 sensor in it no more failures. Here's something else Cummins isn't a Dodge exclusive they could be purchased in the F-650-750's. I'd rather have a Ford with it's so called boat anchor and swap in a Cummins (if the Powerstroke ever fails) than buy a Dodge and watch it rust out around the drive train. Last year I was in the market for a new truck and actually considered a Ram until I noticed (again) how many 2-3 yr. old models were rusting out around the tailgate and wheel wells on the box. I never said a Cummins was not a good engine just that they have not been without issues either. The Chevy I don't even consider a real truck seen way too many break front ends in pulling comps. The Duramax isn't inherently a bad engine either never said it was but it had it's problems as well. The low sulfur diesel fuel is a problem for more than the Duramax injectors it eats the seals in the older diesel engines just another government way of making sure people have to spend money repairing diesels or dropping coin to buy new ones as the old ones were just too reliable. No profit to be made if people hang onto their diesels for 10-15 years so lets introduce a fuel that has no lubricating properties to keep these sturdy engines healthy. Emissions bah humbug the plants manufacturing the freaking batteries for electric cars are more environmentally harmful than our diesels. My last post here I wasn't trying to start a brand argument and I realize this is a Dodge tech section but you guys started by ragging on the Fords. Give the kid a break he's trying to learn about his 12v but if you look at his username it's in a 73' Ford F-250.

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Wow and let the pissing match begin.... Bet no one seen that coming. I think he should just run a log plate, get some huge cummins stickers in the back windows and run a single 12" black stack.. That would add some much hp it would break the sled in half going down the track..
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Well I have a current 2001 7.3 that has had none of these issues and it's whole life has been spent pulling a 5th wheel, fully enclosed 29ft snowmobile trailer 8.5ft wide (steel framed), and my car hauler with a jeep on it. I did have low IP once but that was solved by throwing a new IPR on instead of a new HPOP. It at last testing was still making 3386psi at 42% duty cycle it still has the original UVC harnesses and original glow plug relays. I have replaced the turbo, have put a regulated fuel return system by Diesel Innovations , because I wanted better performance, but replacement of parts has been limited to brake rotors, pads, and ball joints. I found the CPS to be the 7.3l Achilles heel but 10 minutes and you were going again and that was solved by throwing a DT466 sensor in it no more failures. Here's something else Cummins isn't a Dodge exclusive they could be purchased in the F-650-750's. I'd rather have a Ford with it's so called boat anchor and swap in a Cummins (if the Powerstroke ever fails) than buy a Dodge and watch it rust out around the drive train. Last year I was in the market for a new truck and actually considered a Ram until I noticed (again) how many 2-3 yr. old models were rusting out around the tailgate and wheel wells on the box. I never said a Cummins was not a good engine just that they have not been without issues either. The Chevy I don't even consider a real truck seen way too many break front ends in pulling comps. The Duramax isn't inherently a bad engine either never said it was but it had it's problems as well. The low sulfur diesel fuel is a problem for more than the Duramax injectors it eats the seals in the older diesel engines just another government way of making sure people have to spend money repairing diesels or dropping coin to buy new ones as the old ones were just too reliable. No profit to be made if people hang onto their diesels for 10-15 years so lets introduce a fuel that has no lubricating properties to keep these sturdy engines healthy. Emissions bah humbug the plants manufacturing the freaking batteries for electric cars are more environmentally harmful than our diesels. My last post here I wasn't trying to start a brand argument and I realize this is a Dodge tech section but you guys started by ragging on the Fords. Give the kid a break he's trying to learn about his 12v but if you look at his username it's in a 73' Ford F-250.
I have a Chevy conversion in the works right now with nv4500,and ve pump. The dodges do rust out quick I'm not sure why. And personally gasser wise I don't care what brand it is diesel is what I know. Wasn't trying to bash the kid or start a pissing match just stating what I've seen, that being when Fords fail either scrap it or you better have deep pockets (if your paying someone to do the work)
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Well I have a current 2001 7.3 that has had none of these issues and it's whole life has been spent pulling a 5th wheel, fully enclosed 29ft snowmobile trailer 8.5ft wide (steel framed), and my car hauler with a jeep on it. I did have low IP once but that was solved by throwing a new IPR on instead of a new HPOP. It at last testing was still making 3386psi at 42% duty cycle it still has the original UVC harnesses and original glow plug relays. I have replaced the turbo, have put a regulated fuel return system by Diesel Innovations , because I wanted better performance, but replacement of parts has been limited to brake rotors, pads, and ball joints. I found the CPS to be the 7.3l Achilles heel but 10 minutes and you were going again and that was solved by throwing a DT466 sensor in it no more failures. Here's something else Cummins isn't a Dodge exclusive they could be purchased in the F-650-750's. I'd rather have a Ford with it's so called boat anchor and swap in a Cummins (if the Powerstroke ever fails) than buy a Dodge and watch it rust out around the drive train. Last year I was in the market for a new truck and actually considered a Ram until I noticed (again) how many 2-3 yr. old models were rusting out around the tailgate and wheel wells on the box. I never said a Cummins was not a good engine just that they have not been without issues either. The Chevy I don't even consider a real truck seen way too many break front ends in pulling comps. The Duramax isn't inherently a bad engine either never said it was but it had it's problems as well. The low sulfur diesel fuel is a problem for more than the Duramax injectors it eats the seals in the older diesel engines just another government way of making sure people have to spend money repairing diesels or dropping coin to buy new ones as the old ones were just too reliable. No profit to be made if people hang onto their diesels for 10-15 years so lets introduce a fuel that has no lubricating properties to keep these sturdy engines healthy. Emissions bah humbug the plants manufacturing the freaking batteries for electric cars are more environmentally harmful than our diesels. My last post here I wasn't trying to start a brand argument and I realize this is a Dodge tech section but you guys started by ragging on the Fords. Give the kid a break he's trying to learn about his 12v but if you look at his username it's in a 73' Ford F-250.
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Talk about a derailed thread. To the OP if you have any serious questions feel free to get ahold of me. I'm always around kzoo county and I work at a diesel shop in kzoo. I'm pretty familiar with 12 valves, I've had mine for a while
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