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Old April 1st, 2013, 05:44 PM   #21
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I get crazy ass idea like this all the time. Fortunately I do not have the funds to follow up or I would have a bigger mess in my garage than I already do.


I'm envisioning a Jeep spanking Porsches on a road course....
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Old April 1st, 2013, 05:45 PM   #22
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Yeah, its easy enough to make AWD, which is the plan. Just debating if I should go 2wd instead.

If I build some outside the frame headers, then I don't have to worry about packaging them past the front driveshaft. I haven't found any outside the frame headers for CJs with LSx motors, except the ones from AA, which are smaller tubes than I want, and aren't for pre-72 CJs...
I would just get flanges and some tube and make em up.
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Old April 1st, 2013, 05:49 PM   #23
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AWD > RWD > FWD

4WD is in a class of its own. Also, AWD is only fun if it's the Subaru system or a RWD biased system like what's found on Cadillacs. The FWD biased AWD bullshit sucks.
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I'm envisioning a Jeep spanking Porsches on a road course....
How about a 3/4 ton 4X4 Dodge diesel spanking a Viper?
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That's all fine and dandy until you add cornering.
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That's all fine and dandy until you add cornering.
This is true. Take a left and the Dodge would turn turtle.
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Old April 1st, 2013, 05:58 PM   #27
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AWD > RWD > FWD

4WD is in a class of its own. Also, AWD is only fun if it's the Subaru system or a RWD biased system like what's found on Cadillacs. The FWD biased AWD bullshit sucks.
Its the t-case from one of these, ought to be plenty fun. Its for a hot rod, not a corner carver.

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I get crazy ass idea like this all the time. Fortunately I do not have the funds to follow up or I would have a bigger mess in my garage than I already do.


I'm envisioning a Jeep spanking Porsches on a road course....
This is why I have like 9 different axles sitting on the floor, trying to figure which are best for what I want to do..


It would have to be very different build to be competent going fast around corners. I just want a muscle car / hot rod. With a 3500-ish converter, something like this should be able to go 0-60 in 3 seconds or so on street tires, and surprise anything on the street, vipers, vettes, whatever.
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You should ask that guy with the yellow sand drag jeep.


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Old April 1st, 2013, 06:30 PM   #30
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I've got nothing to add that hasn't already been said. I think RWD will be more fun to drive like a pissed off teenager and steer via throttle, but AWB will have a nice unique flavor too it and will perform better for what you have planned if you set it up right. Still planning to use the TJ frame you got from me?

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Yeah, its easy enough to make AWD, which is the plan. Just debating if I should go 2wd instead.

If I build some outside the frame headers, then I don't have to worry about packaging them past the front driveshaft. I haven't found any outside the frame headers for CJs with LSx motors, except the ones from AA, which are smaller tubes than I want, and aren't for pre-72 CJs...
I've got a set of Speedway DIY header parts for an LS motor if you want it. Flanges, various 1.75" mandrel bent primary pieces, collectors. I bought it off Bryce 3 or 4 years ago and never used it.
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Old April 1st, 2013, 06:33 PM   #31
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I'd love a DSM that was reliable and runs high 10s.
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Old April 1st, 2013, 07:03 PM   #32
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Even though it is from almost 10 years ago, the parish Chevy would still be wicked on the street, a truck like that would definitely still surprise most other cars on the street. When a 4wd truck can run 10s on stock tires why would you even want a rwd car.

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Its the t-case from one of these, ought to be plenty fun. Its for a hot rod, not a corner carver.

Those were pretty badass in their day.

If I was doing this, I would go AWD for no other reason that to be able to put the power to the ground without having to use monstrous tires. Big fan of sleepers!
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Old April 1st, 2013, 07:18 PM   #34
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My vote would be for AWD if it is more of a streeter. My car is a handfull in the rain with the DR's but otherwise hooks well on the street once I am in 2nd gear
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Old April 1st, 2013, 07:28 PM   #35
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I've got nothing to add that hasn't already been said. I think RWD will be more fun to drive like a pissed off teenager and steer via throttle, but AWB will have a nice unique flavor too it and will perform better for what you have planned if you set it up right. Still planning to use the TJ frame you got from me?


I've got a set of Speedway DIY header parts for an LS motor if you want it. Flanges, various 1.75" mandrel bent primary pieces, collectors. I bought it off Bryce 3 or 4 years ago and never used it.

Maybe send me a PM with what all you have in the header pieces.

Its on the TJ frame right now, but I am not 100% sure. That frame ended up being in pretty bad shape, the rails are all rotten through the whole middle, on the insides. I have cut and welded in extra metal to stretch the wheelbase on it to 101" to match the Jeep, just not sure how much metal I need to cut out and replace, and if its worth it.

The other thing with the TJ frame, is what look am I going with. The 60" wide axles put the tires out further than I'd like. So I am reconsidering using the stock frame or building one, so that I can get the tires more tucked under the body, like the dark blue one I posted.

I need to get my XJ sold, and then I will start mocking up wheels for ride height and axle width/wheel tuck.
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Old April 1st, 2013, 07:36 PM   #36
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I'd say PM cerial, I bet he's got lots of good ideas.
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I'd say PM cerial, I bet he's got lots of good ideas.
true. I'll see if I can find his phone #...
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No, he is not but he is wasting energy by lifting the front end. Some proper wheelie bars would keep the front end down (but then that can also lift the rear tires off the ground or at least lose some downward pressure on the tires and cause them to spin). It is nice to see the chassis straight and not twisting like you see a lot, that means that his rear link setup is done properly, not traction bars or parallel 4 bar but still, I think he could do even better.

Also do not forget that he is on a meticulously prepped and maintained surface with specialized tires. Those are the only reasons he has enough traction to lift the front end like that. Most any normal vehicle on normal surfaces and normal tires has a snowball's chance in hell of doing that. Yes, I know there are pro-street cars that can still pull a wheelie but again, you are wasting engine power doing that. If the CoG was lower (and/or further forward), it would be more difficult.

Those rear engine badass sand rails can pull a wheelie too with paddle tires, but if the engine was in the middle where it should be, they would be winning more drag races and not just showing off with front tires 6 feet in the air. It looks really cool, no denying that but if just speed and acceleration is what you are after, they are doing it wrong
My Jeep is far from ideal for asphalt (or really any serious drag racing), but I can easily put it on the back bumper, on the street, in 2WD, with just a set of custom leaf springs and ET Streets. Off the footbrake, no transbrake.
I can also put it on the bumper in the sand in 2WD. That TJ frame is going to be a little better off than my CJ since it is longer though. So you'd actually have a little better start to going forward than up.
You're also going to be wasting energy/power dumping it thru a transfer case/front axle.
It's going to come down to a matter of what you really want to do.
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Those were pretty badass in their day.

If I was doing this, I would go AWD for no other reason that to be able to put the power to the ground without having to use monstrous tires. Big fan of sleepers!
Thats kinda what I want. A pseudo-sleeper. I want it to be obvious that it has a V8, but I would rather people think its just some AMC360 or chevy 350 in a typical Jeep, not something that can run low 11s/high 10s.
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Thats kinda what I want. A pseudo-sleeper. I want it to be obvious that it has a V8, but I would rather people think its just some AMC360 or chevy 350 in a typical Jeep, not something that can run low 11s/high 10s.
The bar was for kicks in the picture.......... take the bar off the back, and what would you honestly think this could run if you saw it sitting next to you
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