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Old March 26th, 2013, 08:02 PM   #81
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I was torn because I think Gays should have the same rights but they shouldn't be called marriages. So I went with this instead.



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This is to show my support of Jesus. Purple is a color of Royalty. The Cross depicts the ultimate sacrifice of Christ. It's holy week people.

"Jesus did more to the Jewish religion in this one week then anybody did in over 1000 years". - Para phrased from Pastor Kieth

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; No one comes through the father except through me" - Jesus John 4:16

Purple is also the mixture of Blue and Red. Indicating that Peace will only come through the cross and what Jesus did on it!
Just how I feel about the whole thing.
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Why does the government treat 2 people who are "married" differently that any other 2 people? Answer that, and then we can talk about who those rules should apply to.

And no, I will not be changing anything here or on Facebook.
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There are times I have disagreed with joejeep. There are times we have argued. In this case, I think he's spot on.

I have an acquaintance who is gay. By accident, I caught him in a lie about his "girlfriend" as he was making an excuse. The next day he approached me and he came out of the closet. His explanation to me............. "my wires are crossed". Not my words, his. He knows it's abnormal.

I also am offended that because I don't follow a (semi) popular trend of the day that I am deemed racist. I consider that to be bullshit. Keith, you are better than that. You want to back me into a corner and say that because I don't agree with you that I am racist????? I am not racists, nor is this a racial issue. It is a religious and moral issue. Shame on you.
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Old March 26th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #85
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Why does the government treat 2 people who are "married" differently that any other 2 people? Answer that, and then we can talk about who those rules should apply to.

And no, I will not be changing anything here or on Facebook.
Its not only Government, its also insurance and things things of that nature as well. Domestic partners cannot get the same insurance benefits as married couples.
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Old March 26th, 2013, 08:14 PM   #86
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Why does the government treat 2 people who are "married" differently that any other 2 people? Answer that, and then we can talk about who those rules should apply to.

And no, I will not be changing anything here or on Facebook.
I have always thought that it was primarily to help them support a family. Now, if you ask why parents raising children should get a break, it makes more sense. Kid cost a lot.
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A lot of people here are missing the point. I am very religious and I support Gay marriage in the United States. I support this because I believe that they are not really married in God's eyes. They do not receive the HOLY MATRIMONY that God gives you when you are married in the Church. LEGALLY nowhere in the Constitution or any Federal law does it say that Marriage is between a man and a woman. In fact the Constitution says "All men are created EQUAL"

There is a huge difference between Holy Matrimony and Marriage. Marriage is just a legal term and a tax write-off. Who cares who is legally "together" by not letting them marry, you are just going to make them get louder and more obnoxious than they are now and they are not going to stop fucking each other just because they cannot get married. Who gives a fukc if they have a paper that says they are legal. Let them suffer like the rest of us.

Now on the other hand you can see how people who want to marry children will step up or Steveo will want to marry his favorite sheep. There needs to be clear distinctions in the law. MY idea would be:

Any adult above the age of 18 can marry any other adult above the age of 18
Any person wishing to marry below the age of 18 may do so if and only if they are above the age of 16 and have consent of their parents or legal guardians.

Thats the problem, you are very religious and so were the Pharises, Jesus crossed the road when he saw them.
You make the claim to be a Christian, but are you a follower of Christ?
By condoning thier sin you are as equally as guilty. Hate the sin, love the sinner.

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The USA is NOT a Christian Nation, the founders did not frame the Constitution or the Government to be of Christian ideals, they did the farthest thing from it and separated church and state.

Under God was added to the pledge in 1954 by congress. USA was not founded "under God" and you assume it is the Christian God? Why not the Muslim god? Or the water god or whatever other god.
You do not understand the separation of church and state. Why did the founding fathers print bibles?, why was the bible required reading in schools? You need to brush up on your history of the founding of this nation.
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The USA is NOT a Christian Nation, the founders did not frame the Constitution or the Government to be of Christian ideals, they did the farthest thing from it and separated church and state.

Under God was added to the pledge in 1954 by congress. USA was not founded "under God" and you assume it is the Christian God? Why not the Muslim god? Or the water god or whatever other god.
The US is overwhelmingly Christian just as Saudi Arabia is a mostly Muslim nation.. The Founders were Christian, they also included "The Creator" and "Natures God" in the founding documents. So, I would interpret that as "founded under God".... But you're right. They didn't exactly spell out which God...
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Matthew 15:19. For out of the heart come evil thoughtsómurder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. (Jesus speaking)

Based on your logic.. Jesus did not technically say "thou shalt not kill." This means it's ok to kill?
Murder is not killing?
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Thats the problem, you are very religious and so were the Pharises, Jesus crossed the road when he saw them.
You make the claim to be a Christian, but are you a follower of Christ?
By condoning thier sin you are as equally as guilty. Hate the sin, love the sinner.



You do not understand the separation of church and state. Why did the founding fathers print bibles?, why was the bible required reading in schools? You need to brush up on your history of the founding of this nation.
I am not condoning their sin, I do not support them being gay, I realize that they have made their choice and they will suffer at the end. But this has nothing to do what you, myself or God thinks about the nature of their relationship. It is about what LEGAL things are stopping them from being equal people in the eyes of the state. All men are created equal, not just straight men.

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The US is overwhelmingly Christian just as Saudi Arabia is a mostly Muslim nation.. The Founders were Christian, they also included "The Creator" and "Natures God" in the founding documents. So, I would interpret that as "founded under God".... But you're right. They didn't exactly spell out which God...
I think that the US USED to be overwhelmingly Christian. A lot of people say they are christians but are they really? More and more people believe in God but not religion.
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I have always thought that it was primarily to help them support a family. Now, if you ask why parents raising children should get a break, it makes more sense. Kid cost a lot.
I would say that's #1, so those benefits should go to people teaming up to raise kids, regardless of sexual orientation or marital status.

#2 I think would be for planning a live together, which should go to those planning that, regardless of sex.
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Lets see how many free thinking people we have on here, and how many close minded racists there are. This should be fun!
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Old March 26th, 2013, 08:29 PM   #93
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marriage is one man and one woman!

not two men!
not two women!
not 2 women and 1 man!
not 3 guys and a sheep!

if its not 1 man and 1 woman, can i marry 2 or 3 women?
or a man and a woman?
or a english sheepdog?
where does it end?

it has been voted on many times and loses almost every time!
hell, it lost twice in california!
the majority of america does not support gay marriage!
no matter what the press tries to tell you!

what two gay or bi people do behind closed doors is their own buisness.
when they bring it out into the public like its "totally normal", they are gonna be disappointed in the outcome!
This is what my view of the term marriage is. It is just this way for no other reason than my own.
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How about this for a wild ass, crazy fukkin idea.


Instead of having the term 'marriage' used as a legal term for taxes, benefits, insurance, etc- change it to 'Partner', 'Co-habitant', 'Significant Other', whatever..... to signify two people who are sharing living quarters and expenses. This will also cover hetero couples that do not wish to 'marry' in the religious sense.

Since the basis for this is to be able to claim the same benefits as a 'church-wed' couple, this would allow those outside the cultural norm get a fair shake without blasphemy.

Part of it would require a legal document of co-habitation, so that if they decide to split they would face the same legal and financial responsibilities of a traditional married couple.
This is a perfectly acceptable idea in my mind.
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Wow this is going down just about as I thought. Lots of closed minded bible thumping closed minded asshats on this board. No surprised.

Long and the short of it I ask you this, how does a gay marriage effect you personally???? I mean does having a gay couple married make your marriage a sham? Will you love your wife less? And the real kicker what is marriage other then a piece of paper? Do you love some one more because the church or the justice of the peace has signed a document saying they get half your shit when you don't love that person anymore????

Just curious
Not a bible thumper here, in fact I chose to associate with no religion. Why do I not want it called marriage; that is just the opinion I have formed. IDGAFF if you like guys or what ever else you would want to marry. Hit on me once I will tell you not my thing, keep hitting on me and I will knock you out for being annoying. I am getting feed up with the pushy "we are here and we are queer, now accept us damn it!" attempts to change opinions. Public opinion doesn't change in a matter of 5-10 years.

Am I closed minded because I have a different opinion? I think Prius driver are closed minded about my enjoyment of large diesel truck. It just an opinion having a different one doesn't make you closed minded, it is just what you think. Not being willing to listen to the other side makes you closed minded.
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I am not condoning their sin, I do not support them being gay, I realize that they have made their choice and they will suffer at the end. But this has nothing to do what you, myself or God thinks about the nature of their relationship. It is about what LEGAL things are stopping them from being equal people in the eyes of the state. All men are created equal, not just straight men.



I think that the US USED to be overwhelmingly Christian. A lot of people say they are christians but are they really? More and more people believe in God but not religion.
I believe that if this is allowed, it will open the door for more detestable practices.
They are equal, they are people. What we get as benefits from being married, man+woman is from government, insurance companies etc. what we get from God in the end will be His judgement for how we lived our lives.
You can makes excuses to man and the government and the courts, protest till your blue in the face. If you get your way here and now good for you, but thats not the end. We all will have to answer for our actions.
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I would say that's #1, so those benefits should go to people teaming up to raise kids, regardless of sexual orientation or marital status.

#2 I think would be for planning a live together, which should go to those planning that, regardless of sex.
Well, originally, those teaming up to raise kids were the natural parents. Then divorce and/or death created single parents........... another difficult way to raise kids. Then remarriage created another couple in the natural sense. I don't think anyone originally planned that gays would be raising kids.

Which on another note, I think is wrong. If given a choice, I think a child needs a mother and father. As Green pointed out, men and women are different. A natural set of parents gives a child both perspectives to learn from. After all, who wants a boy raised by 2 men running around with their hands flailing in the air shouting "ooooh ooooh oooh"?
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Let them get married. I say they should suffer along with the rest of us..

Ok if I can't support a ban on all marriages I'll support this theory.
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This is what my view of the term marriage is. It is just this way for no other reason than my own.

This is a perfectly acceptable idea in my mind.


Not a bible thumper here, in fact I chose to associate with no religion. Why do I not want it called marriage; that is just the opinion I have formed. IDGAFF if you like guys or what ever else you would want to marry. Hit on me once I will tell you not my thing, keep hitting on me and I will knock you out for being annoying. I am getting feed up with the pushy "we are here and we are queer, now accept us damn it!" attempts to change opinions. Public opinion doesn't change in a matter of 5-10 years.

Am I closed minded because I have a different opinion? I think Prius driver are closed minded about my enjoyment of large diesel truck. It just an opinion having a different one doesn't make you closed minded, it is just what you think. Not being willing to listen to the other side makes you closed minded.
Are you gonna piss on my next Subaru because i'm un-American and a terrorist?
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I can't understand how in some religious literature it says something to the degree of god loves everyone equally, yet certain groups say being homosexual is a sin and they should be punished. Me personally i think any man or woman should be able to marry whom ever they choose. To think that there is laws against 2 people being happy to be together, just boggles my mind. So i stand on the side for it being legal. I think whatever a man and woman can achieve with marriage should be the same for same sex marriages.
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Eliminate all spousal benefits, and in the case of a relationship ending, both parties leave with what they entered, and anything acquired during the relationship is sold and the proceeds divided equally.
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I am not condoning their sin, I do not support them being gay, I realize that they have made their choice and they will suffer at the end. But this has nothing to do what you, myself or God thinks about the nature of their relationship. It is about what LEGAL things are stopping them from being equal people in the eyes of the state. All men are created equal, not just straight men.


I think that the US USED to be overwhelmingly Christian. A lot of people say they are christians but are they really? More and more people believe in God but not religion.
Youre right. USED to be...... The cultural fabric of this country is deteriorating quickly.
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