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Old March 15th, 2013, 10:27 PM   #181
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Svante Pääbo has tested more than 70 Neanderthal specimens. Preliminary DNA sequencing from a 38,000-year-old bone fragment of a femur found at Vindija Cave, Croatia, in 1980 showed Neanderthals and modern humans share about 99.5% of their DNA. From mtDNA analysis estimates, the two species shared a common ancestor about 500,000 years ago. An article[60] appearing in the journal Nature has calculated the species diverged about 516,000 years ago, whereas fossil records show a time of about 400,000 years ago.[61] A 2007 study pushes the point of divergence back to around 800,000 years ago.[62]

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find me some evidence in god. i have more than proven the fact that humans have been around for 400,000 years. why would i believe something that is written in a book with no facts when there are tons of facts supporting the other side?
You have not proven anything but copied a bunch of stuff making claims that man has been around for hundreds of thousands of years.
The science says different. You have heard of radiometric dating?
These numbers say different.
Laboratory research has shown that the radioactive decay of Carbon-14 occurs in a half-life of 5,730±40 years through beta decay that causes the Carbon-14 to revert back to Nitrogen-14. That means that starting with one pound of 100% Carbon-14, half of it would decay in 5,730 years, leaving 50%, or half a pound. Then, in another 5,730 years, a second decay period would occur, leaving one quarter of a pound. The process would continue, halving the amount left every 5,730 years until, theoretically, nothing remained of the original pound.
I'm just using science not my book.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #182
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Not anymore then you are a world renowned theologian when it comes to talking about a faith.

I under stand that we don't have that many fossils because of decomposition. I just don't understand the lack of those pivotal fossils. A couple of years ago they found Alice, or whatever, and every evolutionary scientist jizzed in their pants. That shows me they don't have many examples.

Ultimately I could care less. I accept that we adapt. I just choose to believe in I the God aside.
It's obvious you haven't looked into it very far. You heard a news blurb, dismissed it along with the rest of the science, and went back to believing the ridiculous stories out of the bible.
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I just attended my month old niece's baptism and got to hear the pastor refer to her as a miserable sinner and that she deserved eternal punishment. Then they asked her, the baby, a bunch of questions about what she believed and then everyone in the church answered for her. Messed up...
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It's obvious you haven't looked into it very far. You heard a news blurb, dismissed it along with the rest of the science, and went back to believing the ridiculous stories out of the bible.
Look, I accept proven science. I do not accept science that can't be completely proven. Like the big bang, when it comes to any origin theories or myths (and those two can pretty much be interchanged in this case) none of us have a clue. People of Faith look towards their scripture. Science looks at observations they can see from our minute, insignificant, not even worth comparison point of view. We can't even look at our universe in more then one way becuse of the size of the thing. It would be like watching a basket ball game with a beam in the way. All the observations you make are going to be, at least, half wrong because your view is obscured by a beam. Sure, you could change seats in the basket ball game but even our farthest reaching probes haven't even come close to getting out of our 'seat' in the universe.

As a person of Faith I can at least admit that I don't know everything and, believe it or not, I don't have to be right. Time and time agian I tell you guys that I'm just trying to share a world view that differs from yours and you constantly tell me it's wrong but when I call you out you say I'm closed minded. It's Bull.

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I just attended my month old niece's baptism and got to hear the pastor refer to her as a miserable sinner and that she deserved eternal punishment. Then they asked her, the baby, a bunch of questions about what she believed and then everyone in the church answered for her. Messed up...
Infant Baptism is not mentioned anywhere in the scripture. I was baptized as a baby and didn't accept it when I became an adult and got re-baptized. Recognizing one is a sinner and wanting to turn away from that sin is the main reason you have a baptismal service BTW. So every person who was a believer understood that. Once again, Different world view, different understanding of thier standing with God. It's not "messed up" if you actually take the time to listen to people who try to explain it to you and understand thier faith instead of ridicule it.
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Look, I accept proven science. I do not accept science that can't be completely proven. Like the big bang, when it comes to any origin theories or myths (and those two can pretty much be interchanged in this case) none of us have a clue. People of Faith look towards their scripture. Science looks at observations they can see from our minute, insignificant, not even worth comparison point of view. We can't even look at our universe in more then one way becuse of the size of the thing. It would be like watching a basket ball game with a beam in the way. All the observations you make are going to be, at least, half wrong because your view is obscured by a beam. Sure, you could change seats in the basket ball game but even our farthest reaching probes haven't even come close to getting out of our 'seat' in the universe.

As a person of Faith I can at least admit that I don't know everything and, believe it or not, I don't have to be right. Time and time agian I tell you guys that I'm just trying to share a world view that differs from yours and you constantly tell me it's wrong but when I call you out you say I'm closed minded. It's Bull.



Infant Baptism is not mentioned anywhere in the scripture. I was baptized as a baby and didn't accept it when I became an adult and got re-baptized. Recognizing one is a sinner and wanting to turn away from that sin is the main reason you have a baptismal service BTW. So every person who was a believer understood that. Once again, Different world view, different understanding of thier standing with God. It's not "messed up" if you actually take the time to listen to people who try to explain it to you and understand thier faith instead of ridicule it.
So you can accept proven science, but not theoretical science yet you can accept a bunch of stories written in a old ass book that aren't proven?
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So you can accept proven science, but not theoretical science yet you can accept a bunch of stories written in a old ass book that aren't proven?
For me, it's harder to believe (i.e., it would take more faith) we evolved from a single molecule or atom than it is to believe in God.

Our design, the planet's design, everything is too perfect to be an accident.
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I just attended my month old niece's baptism and got to hear the pastor refer to her as a miserable sinner and that she deserved eternal punishment. Then they asked her, the baby, a bunch of questions about what she believed and then everyone in the church answered for her. Messed up...
That does sound kinda messed up. Myself I dont agree with the Catholic doctrine.
I suppose if the parents think that baptising a child is ok then who are we to say.
If a person has made that choice as an adult to be baptised and follow Christ, then it is a choice based on thier own decision making. But parents baptising children gives them the comfort in assuming the child is ok with God.
We are all sinners and do derserve death but I think there is an age of consent where there is a line drawn. Babies are not that point, they are innocent until corrupted by the world and its thinking.
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For me, it's harder to believe (i.e., it would take more faith) we evolved from a single molecule or atom than it is to believe in God.

Our design, the planet's design, everything is too perfect to be an accident.
This form of Creationism is known as Intelligent Design.
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I just attended my month old niece's baptism and got to hear the pastor refer to her as a miserable sinner and that she deserved eternal punishment. Then they asked her, the baby, a bunch of questions about what she believed and then everyone in the church answered for her. Messed up...


Its because in the Catholic religion we are all born with sin and baptism cleanses that sin. In a nutshell.
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That does sound kinda messed up. Myself I dont agree with the Catholic doctrine.
I suppose if the parents think that baptising a child is ok then who are we to say.
If a person has made that choice as an adult to be baptised and follow Christ, then it is a choice based on thier own decision making. But parents baptising children gives them the comfort in assuming the child is ok with God.
We are all sinners and do derserve death but I think there is an age of consent where there is a line drawn. Babies are not that point, they are innocent until corrupted by the world and its thinking.
You are missing the teaching of Original sin, that we are born with according to Catholicism. Confirmation is where the child makes his or her own decision to accept Christ
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You are missing the teaching of Original sin, that we are born with according to Catholicism. Confirmation is where the child makes his or her own decision to accept Christ
It wasn't Catholic, it was Lutheran, but regardless, I disagree with the idea of original sin along with most of the other christian doctrines.
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So you can accept proven science, but not theoretical science yet you can accept a bunch of stories written in a old ass book that aren't proven?
Most of those stories, real or not, have a great deal of wisdom in them. I choose to believe those stories to be true. There us a great deal of understanding in both sciences and enjoy applying them to what that old book of crazy stories has to say. It usually lines up with the findings in the science. My concern isn't in the beginning of those stories anyhow. I have a faith that doesn't require me to need any other purpose then to glorify the God who loves me.

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You are missing the teaching of Original sin, that we are born with according to Catholicism. Confirmation is where the child makes his or her own decision to accept Christ
He wasn't missing it, as far I know, he's not Catholic. I really don't like this subject b because it's emotional however, nowhere in the Bible does an infant become baptized. Baptism is only an outward showing of an inward change. It isn't a magical event that fire proofs the child. I have no idea what God does with those children tatty pass away early but my hope is that he shows the mercy he showed us all in those situations. Baptism does not save us though, Christ does.

And to be honest, I was baptized as a baby and I appreciate my parents doing so but I see the event as a promise to God to raise the child up inn the Christian faith. More of a dedication. As much as I would love for my father to baptize my children, I'm waiting for them to make that choice themselves.
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